05 Cocker Pics...close ups

[robdamanii]

Ok, look.

THIS IS AN ENTRY LEVEL COCKER. IT WILL NOT REPLACE YOUR 05 VERTICAL BY ANY MATTER OF MEANS!

This is for entry level players to get a taste of the cocker world, so stop worrying about "is this the future of the VF cocker", because it is not.

And that directly from our wOrr rep.

[RES=Mr.Green]

Thats not the article's I've been reading? There are three new designs from entry level to pro. All with the same style but better quality valve reg etc.....

http://www.68caliber.com/news/industry/story04348.php

http://www.paintballstar.com/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=PagEd&file=index&topic_id=43&page_id=225#Trilogy-Pro-Marker.jpg

From the above 2 articles and other's I've read this is the new standard. As for what there going to do with the Carnivor and Oraccle I don't know but hopefull they will still produce them with the three new 05 cockers.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Ok, look.

THIS IS AN ENTRY LEVEL COCKER. IT WILL NOT REPLACE YOUR 05 VERTICAL BY ANY MATTER OF MEANS!

This is for entry level players to get a taste of the cocker world, so stop worrying about "is this the future of the VF cocker", because it is not.

And that directly from our wOrr rep.

We understand that it is not the 05 VF, Mr. Holmes........

What we're lamenting, and justfully so, is the level of craftsmanship that has apparently gone into this thing and the lack of visible means to upgrade it. Upgrading, isn't that one of the strengths of the Autococker?

I can personally accept the fact that indeed it was designed to be hung on hooks on the walls of a mass merchandiser. But knowing and understanding mass manufacturing tolerances and techniques vis-a-vis the inherent complexity of the automated cocking design, I can see problems occuring. Problems that cannot be readily solved by just upgrading a part here, a part there.

And like I have previously stated, I'll reserve judgement until I've actually shot one.

[Maus]

If anyone but WGP made this, like one of the popular third-party shops, you guys would pledge your undying love for it.

[RES=Mr.Green]

Maybe your right. But think of it this way. What would you say if ferrari made a gremlin? Would you still think of them the same? I'm just holding WGP to a higher standard. Especially after they released the Carni. I'm waiting for a chance to see it. But right now, I cant think of any reason why I would buy it. Weather it be WGP or if a third party made it. Honestly I belive they took several steps back instead of forward......

[Mosfet]

!!!YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!

And what would be the problem with that idea?

Its a way to "upgrade" a super cheap Dragunfly to be able to take Cocker parts such as barrels, bolts, and some other internals.

[Target Practice]

About that Karni...I got a chance to shoot one at the NPPL Vegas even. They are outstanding. If you don't mind cheater software, that is. Anyhoo, back to the topic.

I own both an '02 and an '03 VF. I have to say, the difference in body styles is extremely evident, which is obvious. Personally, I think that the '02 just feels better. If I can get both cockers timed before Saturday, I'll shoot 'em bothe and see if I can feel a difference.

One thing I did notice, though: Even though they both have hinge triggers, the '02 feels like it's made a little better.

Anyhoo, if anyone else can do it, maybe get some pics with the pre/post body style switch.

Chances are, I'll be sticking with my '02 ( ) if WGP starts to go cheap.

[FallNAngel]

Cheater software?

[robdamanii]

Maybe your right. But think of it this way. What would you say if ferrari made a gremlin? Would you still think of them the same? I'm just holding WGP to a higher standard. Especially after they released the Carni. I'm waiting for a chance to see it. But right now, I cant think of any reason why I would buy it. Weather it be WGP or if a third party made it. Honestly I belive they took several steps back instead of forward......

Lord almighty...

This was never meant for experienced people to buy.

Look at it this way. The LARGEST market segment of the paintball industry is new players. That garners about 60% of the share, if I remember my figures from last year correctly. Who owns that market? Kingman, PMI, Tippmann, etc. wOrr has virtually no part of that huge entry level market, esentially because autocockers are too complicated for most newbies, and too expensive.

WGP has now provided a lower priced model, albeit without some of the upgradeablility of the VF series, but also without as much chance of something being screwed up by an unknowing n00b who doesn't know what they are doing.

Look at it like this, once a n00b buys this...WGP is hoping they enjoy it, and because it can't be upped as well as a VF, to sell it off or keep it and buy a VF to upgrade.

In essence, this is a fantastic way to both bring the autococker to new players for less cost and less fear of difficult maintainence, as well as cut into that huge market that is controlled by Kingman, Tippmann, PMI, etc.

The Karni will stay, there is a new black magic in the works, the 05 Vertical line will be out soon....there's nothing this line does except expand WGP into the only segment of the market that they don't have share in currently.

If you don't like them, don't buy them. But I know already from working at the shop and from talking to people, these are highly anticipated and are going to be a very hot commodity among young/new players.

And of course, don't knock em until you try em.

[Deathshadow9k]

i think i'm a little more interested in that pirahna pistol than this debate about the cocker....

[Koosh]

Zeroack posted the pics on our local colorado forum...



His words...

Well I got the sample on my desk today. It's a PMI Piranha paintball pistol called the USB. Smaller then a Zeus and PT Extream but not as well finished in my opinion. The loading device looks to need some work and the spring load wouldn't lock back on the pistol I have. So loading it with two hands would be impossable. However the pistol we have maybe a prototype or early production model. I'll try and get a few pics from work tomorrow.

The pistol is a little cheesy like I said. It just feels like I'll break it even more so them my PT Extream and alot more then my Zeus. I can't even compare it to my pgp.

[paintballer187]

The gun just plain looks cheap.

[Mosfet]

^^^ What Rob said!

[Target Practice]

Cheater software?

There is no way in Hades that I was firing as fast as that the Karni was shooting. I've pulled 19 cps on an Emag with 3.2--that's the extent of my ability. I was definately exceeding that with the Karni. I know I was up over 25, I had to be. I'm sure that some of the shots were not caused by be pulling the trigger.

[Thermus]

I think WGP is making a great move. They could be the first an only company to appeal to all levels of players.