Thoughts on Cheating?

[eastcoastdm4]

http://www.advantagepb.com

[madmolly]

Thoughts

We were beat by a team with friendly boards in the finals last week. I thought about getting them since we all run DM4s but then I thought why stoop to there level. We will figure out a way to win without cheating.

[JimmyBeam]

i love taking someone out with my mech mag while they are using thier ramped out electros. but at the same time, if i could afford a killer high end id use it too

[Bulldog]

Personally, I could care less about ramping boards. It's the wiping and crappy attitudes that bother me most.

[trains are bad]

ROF must be controlled. This was done with semi auto, guess what everyone is getting around it and even if they aren't semi auto does not limit ROF satisfactorily.

The solution to the illegal marker thing is to either

1. ban electros (since enforcing both bounce and software is impossible, i knew this when they started coming out, it was just a matter of how long everyone was going to play nice) and require minimum trigger pull weights for mechs to limit mechanical bounce

2. stop requireing semi auto (since enforcing both bounce and software is impossible or impractical) and control ROF through paint limiting, field design, hopper rules, and/or rigorous overshooting penalties..... or if the nxl is for real, a BPS cap.

Make high ROF a DISADVANTAGE and the problem will go away.


As for wiping, good reffing and HARSH (useful) penalties are all we need. By harsh I mean wiping forfeits the game if not DQing the TEAM from the tournament!

[DarkRipper]

I have to agree, the wiping is the worst of the two problems between it and ramping eguns. Most of the time the people shooting fast don't have the basics down on how to play their bunkers... they play with their triggers the whole time and hope they don't get snapshot.

[madmolly]

Not sure I agree

We all shoot fairly fast on my team the slowest guy probably still pulls 10 bps. When we went against the team with the ramping boards the fire power was crazy. One of our guys took 10 actual hits just sliding into his bunker(how many more do you think missed him and that was one marker. That is just crazy. I agree wiping sucks and is hard to get away with but these markers are getting crazy with the amount of paint they throw. Which is not the skill of the player it is the skill of the gun.

[ojhspyro89]

I find most this cheating stuff almost comical. The point at which people wipe is annoying but thats like REAL low. If they arent good enuf to just not wipe and call themselves out the suck. Ramping boards are funny too. ROF isnt that much of an importance if you know how to play your bunker and know how to shoot your gun. But every guy likes faster stuff, i like fast guns too but its almost in practicle in TONS of ways.

[SlipknotX556]

Personally, I love the ramping dm4s and bounce. I used to run my timmy at no bounce, but I have grown to love the bounce, ramping. Paintball guns will only get faster in the future, every player is looking for more speed, it will never slow down.

[wolfwood_is_here]

It makes you appreciate the old days of pumps where you were dang sure you got someone, becuase you made shots that counted. You did not have huge ROF's, becuase you had to pump every time. You could not "lane" because you only had a 12 gram co2 that could only last about 20 or so shots. There was skill, in things like quickchangers and reloading from 10rd tubes. Those were good old days.

Today, there is such a tilt to high ROF with markers like the Timmy, that a person could easily drown hundreds of dollars just on paint, unless they bothered a company or shop enough to sponsor them. Most stock or pump players carry 100 or so rounds per game, and pretty consistently use less than 500 rounds in a day of play. Too much emphasis on people who can get sponsored to pay for everything, and then just rain paint onto the field. I understand paintball is expensive, but sometimes it can get excessive.

I mean, if cheating were not such a big problem, why is it a consistent theme on the whiteboard...


It is kinda like comparing two individual sports that take place on the same turf. It is like skiiers vs. snowboarders. Sure, both have extremes, but skiing has been around longer and is considered more "noble" than snowboarding. Snowboarding has become extremely popular today becuase of its easy ability to learn, and the extreme fast paced hype that goes with it. Skiing is just as intense, sometimes can be even more so (think of winter olympics and the long jump they have, where people ski down a huge hill and try to fly as far as possible. Don't see too many snowboarders doing that...yet).

Things will always change, be it for better or worse. Lets just try to have a good attitude and keep the language "G" rated and we could be ready for anything that comes our way.

[personman]

and control ROF through paint limiting and/or a BPS cap.

Make high ROF a DISADVANTAGE and the problem will go away.

I agree with this. I think if each player was only allowed say.. a non accumulative 300-400 rounds a game ( that seems fair to me, I can usually make it through two or three games on a hopper ) it would help with some of the rof cheating problems. I'm sorry, but you cant honestly believe that you have skill if you're dumping 1000 rounds a game. BPS caps would work, but I think that full auto should still be illigal. If you're in the staging area and you have a f/a 13 bps gun you could like tap the trigger and shoot 3 balls on accident, possibly injuring someone if you arent careful. I think its not as much of an issue with barrel condoms since they are stronger than plugs, but still, it is an issue.

[SlartyBartFast]

[QUOTE=wolfwood_is_here]
I mean, if cheating were not such a big problem, why is it a consistent theme on the whiteboard...
[\QUOTE]

http://www.the-whiteboard.com/autowb356.html

Gotta love the Whiteboard!

[hAppy]

If you need to cheat to compensate for your lack of skill, than you shouldn't play paintball because you are a failure. Simple answer for a simple problem. The truth is if you cheat, you just can't play, some people won't face the fact and will just argue that cheating is acceptable, whatever works for them.

[Target Practice]

Cheaters suck. If you cheat, may you get hit by a bus.

[FallNAngel]

I mean, if cheating were not such a big problem, why is it a consistent theme on the whiteboard...

Actually it hasn't been except for the past few.