Thoughts on Cheating?

[wolfwood_is_here]

Ok, true, you are right.

But if it has been important enough to be on the last few whiteboards, it must be important.

Then of course by that note, Dew is the most important thing...and I would like to see someone argue that one..

[-=Squid=-]

Don't blaim losing on ramping boards. That's one of the most lame excuses I have ever heard.

[hAppy]

Don't blaim losing on ramping boards. That's one of the most lame excuses I have ever heard.

He means cheating in general, I think

[-=Squid=-]

He means cheating in general, I think

Ya, I know... But the second post I believe claims that they can't win because of cheater boards.

[SlipknotX556]

I <3 cheater boards .

[Lohman446]

I agree with this. I think if each player was only allowed say.. a non accumulative 300-400 rounds a game ( that seems fair to me, I can usually make it through two or three games on a hopper ) it would help with some of the rof cheating problems. I'm sorry, but you cant honestly believe that you have skill if you're dumping 1000 rounds a game. BPS caps would work, but I think that full auto should still be illigal. If you're in the staging area and you have a f/a 13 bps gun you could like tap the trigger and shoot 3 balls on accident, possibly injuring someone if you arent careful. I think its not as much of an issue with barrel condoms since they are stronger than plugs, but still, it is an issue.

Before I get into this, let me say I agree in part with you.

Now, don't blame loosing to the other team on the amount of paint in the air. Mearly "playing with the trigger" does not cut down lanes, does not score eliminations, and is just not effective. There is a lot of skill in those players that are able to shoot that amount of paint towards a target... let's respect that. FYI - it is seldom that I drop more than one or two pods in a game, I'm not the player Im begging for respect.

Squid is right, if you are loosing to a team, aside from wiping, playing on, etc. you need to change strategies, time moves, and lay cover. I dont care how much paint they are dumping, if you communicate with your backplayers, and get them in for a few seconds, you can move.

That being said, for economic reasons I would agree wtih a pod per team limit. Each team limited in pods, to be distrubuted how they want each game. I think it would add a strategy to the game.

But, you can compete in todays shooting methods, it just requires, to me, better teamwork. Work on it... work on the styles you see against you, rather than just complaining about the problems

For the record, last tournament, we got stomped. It seemed every team had bouncey guns and unlimited paint. We failed to plan our moves well, to work well as a team, to overcome it, and that is why we lost. We failed to adapt to the style of play that day. Don't fault the style,fault your own failures.

[Bobbyboy]

Paintball guns will only get faster in the future, every player is looking for more speed, it will never slow down.

Not true it has to stop some where either for physical, finacial, of saftey related issues. The real question is when.

[Target Practice]

Not true it has to stop some where either for physical, finacial, of saftey related issues. The real question is when.

I believe that the speed factor is starting to level out, personally. Definately with in the next year, barring any revolutionary technologies that could/could not be coming out.

[ilikePB]

I think if each player was only allowed say.. a non accumulative 300-400 rounds a game ( that seems fair to me, I can usually make it through two or three games on a hopper ) it would help with some of the rof cheating problems. I'm sorry, but you cant honestly believe that you have skill if you're dumping 1000 rounds a game.

First, 300-400 is not enough for a game if you play back. I could do 400 and I play front, but I usually like to take 3 140 pods(plus Halo of course) in a game just in case. 400 per player per game would not be nearly enough to have a fun game of speedball imo. Second, your saying that Dynasty or Russian Legion has no skill? Because I wouldn't doubt it if their back players dumped 1000 each a game. I can handle ramp or bounce. Let me be honest, if I'm going against people that I know have bouncing/ramping guns I turn down the db filter on my gun. If I'm playing with people that have legit guns I tune the bounce out. I keep myself on a level playing field, it works for me.

[gc82000]

As for rate of fire. I think it will hit a plateau in nextcouple of months. Look many ppl ar having trouble getting the 20 bps limit, while a few others can shoot Z-Man style. But those are the select few, like pitchers in baseball. they are not limited on the speed they can throw. Why should ppl be limited to bps in tourneys.

As for paint limit I dont really think that will be required. Remember not all teams that go to tourneys are sponsred by paint manufacters, so they in turn might need to buy paint at full price. So it is as much as the team could afford.

on the point of wiping. Yes stiffer penalties should be in place. Name one sponsor that will sponsor a team that routinley gets Maxed or disqualified from tourneys. And it will all touble down hill from there.

[fiforever]

Cheating Sucks. Unfortantly a lot of player resort to cheating. There are teams that no not wish to cheat. San Deigo Ravanous (A Pro X Ball Team) is a team that I can say Does not Cheat. I have had the honor of playing with them.

As for guns I say rate of fire is part of the game but not liimted to the game. I think pump games are so much better. I choose Accuracy over Rate of fire.


-Front Player

[FallNAngel]

But those are the select few, like pitchers in baseball. they are not limited on the speed they can throw. Why should ppl be limited to bps in tourneys.

You're kidding right? I mean, I don't watch baseball all the time (actually never), but I know the object isn't to hit the person with the ball. The reason there may be a limit is for safety reasons.

[GT]

Cheating is never ok

Now, don't blame loosing to the other team on the amount of paint in the air.

Don't blaim losing on ramping boards. That's one of the most lame excuses I have ever heard..

Personally, I love the ramping dm4s and bounce. I used to run my timmy at no bounce, but I have grown to love the bounce, ramping.

When did AO cross 'ethics river' to the darkside? Cheating is Cheating wether you think the rule is stupid or not. This is a huge issue for me, you cant honestly tell me that a team does not have an advantage with more paint in the air. Its a fact and to argue otherwise is moronic. The whole idea behind a cheating board is to put more paint in the air and maintain higher ROF, an obvious advantage for the user.

If paintball ever becomes more than a game you will see rules inplace for markers simliar to cars in such venues as Nascar and the SCCA...

[flyinasian016]

I agree with slipknot. I used to run my old timmy at debounce 10, but then i realized that in the tournament world debounce 10 doesnt cut it, so i lowered it so i oculd bounce. Ramping/Wiping/Bouncing, its all part of the game, if you dont like it, then go back to the woods or do it yourself. No matter what you say, nothing is going to change, not until someone gets seriously injured and they sue some company. Just play your style of play. Its just part of the game, get used to it.

[Lohman446]

Wait a moment, you took a "sound" bite out of that. Dont blame loosing on the amount of paint in the air was not condoning cheating. It was merely teh backlash for having to listen to "I lost because..." When loosing, change strategies, don't beg for rule changes.

Play to the edge of the rules - but don't cross them. Ramping is illegal, and should not be allowed. My trigger is close, but legal, one shot one pull. Thats the rule, and I think we should all abide by that as it is the rule for now. I don't like it, I think its stupid given current trends, and I think it causes as much overshooting as full auto would because players are so "trained" to shoot fast.

But I did not condone cheating.. I just get sick of listening to teams whine about why they lost coming off the field. Ackowledge why you lost, and adapt to overcome it, but don't whine.