Thoughts on Cheating?

[GT]

Ramping/Wiping/Bouncing, its all part of the game, . Its just part of the game, get used to it.

Wow,
this is f'ed up! That is all i can say. We can no longer play within the rules of the game so we cheat. Yea, paintball is a legit sport.... and going places...

So here is the problem:

But I did not condone cheating.. I just get sick of listening to teams whine about why they lost coming off the field. Ackowledge why you lost, and adapt to overcome it, but don't whine.

So how do you play a game aganist a team that is over the line and refs that refuse to acknowledge the rules?



What so screwed up about people in paintball is that very few do anything to make the sport better. How many guys promised to never buy a SP product, then a week later order a new shocker and post pics on AO? How many posts have we read in the last week about cheating, searching for morality, attempting to bait others into justifying thier own actions?

Futhermore this is what drives people away from paintball as well as message boards. Notice a decrease in content over the last few months?

[Lohman446]

Wow,
this is f'ed up! That is all i can say. We can no longer play within the rules of the game so we cheat. Yea, paintball is a legit sport.... and going places...

So here is the problem:



So how do you play a game aganist a team that is over the line and refs that refuse to acknowledge the rules?



What so screwed up about people in paintball is that very few do anything to make the sport better. How many guys promised to never buy a SP product, then a week later order a new shocker and post pics on AO? How many posts have we read in the last week about cheating, searching for morality, attempting to bait others into justifying thier own actions?

Futhermore this is what drives people away from paintball as well as message boards. Notice a decrease in content over the last few months?

SP... well, your right and I am an example of it. When it was the news, and for about a year (not a week, if it matters which it doesnt) I refused to own an SP product, it was an easy sell to myself, I was happy with everything I had at the time. But when it came time to buy a new marker... well frankly to me the Shocker was a "best buy" - disputed by some but based on the attribute and price of the marker only I still beleive it. I'll give you that point.

How do you play against a team that cheats? Perhaps Im cheating to do it, perhaps its "friendly" refs, perhaps its respect that I feel my team has earned by not cheating... There is a team we play against, that our policy is to shoot until they call themselves out - this is in violation of overshooting rules I guess and might just be cheating. We have, on several occassions, watched them wipe hits, and the refs know this. Perhaps I'm trying to draw a gray line where there is a well defined one.

We loose to cheaters, often enough. We loose to teams that don't cheat as well. They are in the end, our teams failures to take out a player as many times as needed in order to assure they leave the field. A level playing field would be great, but lets be realistic.

In the end, I think all these "sponsorship" packages are partly to blame. We as players, feel we deserve sponsorships for simply playing even on a non-pro level. I see sponsored rookie/novice teams. Well I do not fault people for seeking these, what do you really do to deserve a sponsorship? I'm happy with the deals i have going, that are based nothing at all on my on field playing. I don't care if I win or loose, and my team understands this. I don't like loosing, Im not happy about it, but I'm not going to cheat (as I define it) to win. See that catch... perhaps I'm too arrogant to admit that I have gotten away with things I should not have - albeit with the refs approval.

[RenagadeOfFunk]

Cheating is when you don't get caught...getting caught is failing to cheat...

-Master FunK

[Curly]

Cheating is when you don't get caught...getting caught is failing to cheat...

-Master FunK

You want to elaborate on that a little bit?

[trains are bad]

First, 300-400 is not enough for a game if you play back.

that's the whole point. You're gonna have to change your game. It'd make it totally different (better IMO). Remember, they only have that much paint too.Just think how you could move....

[Evil Bob]

First, 300-400 is not enough for a game if you play back. I could do 400 and I play front, but I usually like to take 3 140 pods(plus Halo of course) in a game just in case. 400 per player per game would not be nearly enough to have a fun game of speedball imo. Second, your saying that Dynasty or Russian Legion has no skill? Because I wouldn't doubt it if their back players dumped 1000 each a game. I can handle ramp or bounce. Let me be honest, if I'm going against people that I know have bouncing/ramping guns I turn down the db filter on my gun. If I'm playing with people that have legit guns I tune the bounce out. I keep myself on a level playing field, it works for me.

Actually, I've played some limited paint games and they're quite fun, more movement, more muggings, less hunkering down and spray and pray. It requires more communication and coordination to win since you cant just sit and spray and pray your way through your eliminations.

Additionaly, most limited paint games I've played in allow for handing off full pods to other players, front guys can hand one off to the back men to give them a few more rounds to pin suckers down with while you run in and mug them.

gtrsi: You're 100% right, content here has dropped off the proverbial edge steadily over the past year, we're seeing more PBN regulars moving over here and posting in a similar vein.

-Evil Bob

[trains are bad]

yeah all limited paint games I've played limited teams, so I always went hopperball or less and gave my pods to my back man.

The only reason paint limiting isn't standard is that fields make a lot of money on paint.

[Evil Bob]

yeah all limited paint games I've played limited teams, so I always went hopperball or less and gave my pods to my back man.

The only reason paint limiting isn't standard is that fields make a lot of money on paint.

Yeah, thats the real sad part, fields dont make a killing on it, so they're not too keen on limiting paint. They're happy with the kiddies with the ramping boards that spray a couple cases a day, that's all money in the bank.

-Evil Bob

[Curly]

Meh, limited paint is bad... When I played 7man I was shooting 13 pods a game as a back player.

[Target Practice]

Ramping/Wiping/Bouncing, its all part of the game, if you dont like it, then go back to the woods or do it yourself.... Its just part of the game, get used to it.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the downfall of our sport.

You, my friend, need to stop playing the game. It is attitudes like yours that perpetuate the cycle of cheating in paintball. If you wiped against me, I would bonus ball you until Hell froze over, since that is the only thing you cowardly morons can understand. If you need to cheat, you are not worth the dirt you play on. Simple as that. You know, the whole "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy is great to teach to all the new blood getting into the sport.

"...go back to the woods..."? Screw you, dude. I bet I can count on my hands the times you have successfully played woodsball. If you were dropped into an outlaw night game, you'd probably piss yourself. Don't make fun of something you don't understand.

Finally, if you think that cheating is part of the game, thanks for ruining it for the rest of us. If you want to see some real players, we'll be on the "Don't Need To Cheat" field, having fun.

[hAppy]

I agree with slipknot. I used to run my old timmy at debounce 10, but then i realized that in the tournament world debounce 10 doesnt cut it, so i lowered it so i oculd bounce. Ramping/Wiping/Bouncing, its all part of the game, if you dont like it, then go back to the woods or do it yourself. No matter what you say, nothing is going to change, not until someone gets seriously injured and they sue some company. Just play your style of play. Its just part of the game, get used to it.

So do you feel like a skilled player lasting the whole game by wiping?

I mean if I whiped and shot full auto, I wouldn't feel very skilled. Hell in the back of my mind, I'd be crying over my lack of skill, and that I should quit and kill myself.

[DarkRipper]

I'll never "get used to" someone cheating in this game. I will ALWAYS look down on a wiper. ALWAYS.

I had some fool tourney kid wipe my paint off his arm then bunker Cavemankevin the other day at Pevs... shot Caveman in the facemask so hard and so close that it split his lip.

If the TWiB played fairly, he'd have accepted that he had no game, taken my shot to his arm as an indication that he needs to learn how to play a bunker instead of shooting 30 bps for 10 seconds then reloading while old schoolers like me pop 3 rounds onto his exposed extremities...

I guess if all you do is wipe unless you're gogged 10 times at close range, you don't need skill in this sport anymore, huh?

Sad, pathetic. I'll continue to shoot the little ramping muppets regardless of how often they wipe...
You can't wipe a welt.

[flyinasian016]

Did i ever say i wiped in my last post? Ok then..I just said i used a bouncy timmy. Ive wiped once, just because i saw the other guy wipe and i felt like making sure he was out.

I would bonus ball you until Hell froze over

Yeah, whats that going to do, just make the situation worse by pissing off the other player so he turns around and starts cussing and shooting at you and then the bad side of paintball is shown. Great Job, way to make things worse tard.

So what most of you guys are saying is that you dont need to cheat to win. Where are the legit teams that dont wipe,bounce,ramp in the NPPL, PSP, NXL etc.? I can tell you that they arent getting 1st through 3rd. Every team that does well in any events, has at least 1 person that has bounce, ramp, or wiped. Is that not true? Sure they may have gotten pulled for it, but they still did it. about it, your multi-page thread of how cheating is bad is not going to get you anywhere...

[DarkRipper]

Get you where?

It's not like you get paid to play this game at the top levels. If players got basketball player salaries I could *ALMOST* see cheating to win, MAYBE.

As it is... forget it. It's pathetic, even with sponsors stressing on you to win. Oh no, you might actually have to pay for paint for once.

Personally, I prefer to keep my dignity and NOT wipe... that's right, I've NEVER wiped. I have also played NPPL ball as well as local.

[penguinpunk555]

Suck it up and keep playing.

It is apart of the game, it won't stop.