Real scoop on the new Shocker?

[1ofkind]

I only met 3 guys that ever liked there shockers, everyone else was a poser or hated it.

[andreb]

Warpig found the shocker to have FSDO even with the evolvo bolt kit...but I still think the gun looks good

[nt2004]

i shot one at a tourney and my 2 friends played a few games with them. I held one next to my mag for a comparison. The shocker was pretty light and compact (somehow my mag felt lighter) and the trigger was set pretty tight. It was easy to walk but after i saw it in use my opinion changed a bit. It had alot of dropoff problems and some erratic velocity (not typical, we couldnt figuure out why) and its effeciency was pretty bad. It had too many problems for my taste

[nastymag]

SP Vision sucks because of the logic, not because its reflective. it senses movement. drop a ball in your breach then pull it out and it will still fire. that means with Non Halo laoders it can chop ( i played some games running a rev) and will chop.

[BlackWeenie]

ok here we go!

vision: works fine. i dont even use mine, just put on the halo and its great
trigger: easily adjustable. stop *****ing, its a 1 minute fix
efficiency: i get about 1000 shots to a 68/3000 tank with my HE bolt
FSDO: also easily fixed. adjust the dwell/ROF and no more FSDO

i used my shocker this weekend at its first tourney and i absolutely loved it. i would definately recommend it.

[CoolHand]

There was a run of bad ORings used in some of the first vert maxflos, so they broke like mad, and gave the reg the crappy rep it has.

The new ones are fine, I've got one that's a month old, and it has yet to cut an oring (on CO2 no less ).

The eyes are fine too, but if you gotta have break beams, the Pred II is out there.

The efficiency argument is only valid with the stock bolt, and even then its not that bad (somehow folks are able to justify the Mag's 1000 ball count as "decent", but that same count on a Shocker "Tows the Wet Sprocket" ). Throw an ND bolt or a new FF bolt at it, and its right back up there.

Triggers are easy to fix, either adjust it to suit you, or replace it if you can't get it adjusted like you want. Five Minutes max.

Anyhoo, I say go for it if you want one. Once you get to that point, all the choices are pretty good, so whatever you choose, you'll like it.

[FragTek]

Saying vision sucks is a worthless statement. I agree it isn't the best but it sure as hell isn't aweful. Everyone tends to make fun of reflective eyes but wait, doesn't the precious x-mag aroudn here have reflective eyes? I never hear anyone say their reflective eyes suck.

Well if you havent heard it from anyone, let me be the first to say it for you :) Reflective eyes suck, X-Mag ACE included. The reason you may not hear that too often is because once you couple a so-so ACE system to tried and true anti-chop bolt, you lessen your chance for chops even further.

If you were to stick the X-Mag ACE on a gun with a good high bolt pressure that relies solely on some sort of ACE system to stop chops, it would suffer miserably.

[FallNAngel]

ok here we go!

Indeed...

vision: works fine. i dont even use mine, just put on the halo and its great

If it works fine, why turn it off? What's the point of even having it if you're going to turn it off?

trigger: easily adjustable. stop *****ing, its a 1 minute fix

Yes, if you know how to solder and have the equipment available. Not everyone does.

efficiency: i get about 1000 shots to a 68/3000 tank with my HE bolt

I hate to tell ya, but that's not great efficiency. That's putting it around on par with the Freestyle and Mag's... neither of which are known for their outstanding efficiency.

FSDO: also easily fixed. adjust the dwell/ROF and no more FSDO

That's right, increase your dwell and watch your efficiency disappear too.

[Hey Its Vo]

[QUOTE=FallNAngel]
Originally Posted by BlackWeenie
Q1.trigger: easily adjustable. stop *****ing, its a 1 minute fix

Originally Posted by FallNAngel
Yes, if you know how to solder and have the equipment available. Not everyone does.

Incorrect, the trigger can be adjusted by using allen wrenches/keys.

As far as aftermarket boards are concerned. If you want a "drop in board,"(meaning all you do is replace the stock board with out having to solder or mill) then you should consider the Tadao/Dynasty board. If having a spot milled for eyes isn't a problem with you, then I STRONGLY reccommend the Predator II they offer reflective(slower) AND break beam(faster response, better quality), Free software upgrades as they are available(unless otherwise stated by theangelguy himself.)

[FallNAngel]

Incorrect, the trigger can be adjusted by using allen wrenches/keys.

Yes, and if you want a lighter switch, which most people do, you'll have to solder in a new switch.

[Vash-HT]

you dont need to flip the switch to get a light trigger pull, and the heavier switch is in place so the gun bounces less.

[CoolHand]

Yes, and if you want a lighter switch, which most people do, you'll have to solder in a new switch.

Wow.

Vendetta much?

Just lean back from the keyboard, and repeat after me . .. . . . . "Its just a paintball marker."

Deep Breath.

"Its just a paintball marker."

Keep doing that until you don't care anymore.

You'll thank me later . . . . . I swear.

[VFX_Fenix]

Well let's see here... 1000 rounds from a 68/3000 fill... that's right around 15 shots per ci... Where I hail from that's pretty good for a 3 grand fill. Granted, the Mag can't shoot down to 200psi like the Shocker can, but still, a respectable number of shots from a single fill. I know my Angel will get around 500 shots from a 47/3000 fill as will my Autococker. That's much closer to 11 shots per ci for me, or are AC's suddenly not very efficient either? From what I've been led to understand about HPA fills and shot counts, 3K fills see around 10 shots per ci and 4.5K fills see around 15 on the average. I'm actually surprised that people are claiming to get that many shots from a Shocker on a 3K fill with a 68ci tank. There's a reason the people who owned older shockers ran'em on CO2.

I have a feeling that some of the "inefficiency" beliefs come from people not really knowing how many shots they put on their gun after they had their tank filled. So, something to do if you're bored and have some old paint laying around. Grab a couple bags and shoot until your HPA tank is dry keeping track of how many pods/bags you used. Hopefully your tank'll be around 3000 or so, that'll give a good baseline number for the marker. Everyone's results will vary.

[gc82000]

Wow I just figured that I get about 900 shots (1 halo b=160, 2 Dye locklids=320, 3 32* pods= 420) for a 45/45 fill on my A4. But how do you figure out the amount of shots you get for x ci? I got an A college Calculus but dont see the equations you used. But I guess that is pretty good.

[MindJob]

X-mag eye

I am guessing since the eyes is what seperates the x-mag from the ule x-vavled emag is the reflective eyes along with a nicer body of course. Therefoer i would assume the people on the x-mag use their eyes. Who has eyes and doesn't use them, what a stupid statement

With the LVL X I never realize weather or not the eye is on. IMHO, the LVL X works better than any 'eyes' that I have ever seen.

I really have no clue as to why people gripe about reflective eyes. They work.