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  • Automaggot68

    #16
    Who is going to be the one to tell Glenn Palmer he's wrong?
    I dont have the heart, (or the insurance) to tell him.

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    • gc82000
      LNIB just a few scratches
      • Mar 2004
      • 1346

      #17
      Wasn't TK also one of the guys that proved this theory. He was the man who developed the dust test. But he does not know what he is saying he has only been in this business since the beginning. He would not know what he is saying.
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      • Automaggot68

        #18
        Originally posted by gc82000
        Wasn't TK also one of the guys that proved this theory. He was the man who developed the dust test. But he does not know what he is saying he has only been in this business since the beginning. He would not know what he is saying.
        Yeah. are you kididng? he didn't like...post any factual data or anything..

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        • thejesus
          i like ladies and guns...
          • Jun 2002
          • 199

          #19
          Back to the original topic of this thread...

          Milton, if you're going to drop your gun barrel-first, or run in to things with the tip of your barrel, two words: Dye Stainless. They are thick, stiff, pretty, and work great as a melee weapon if some ******* breaks into your house

          In a tournament I started to slide too late into a bunker (not airball) and stopped myself with the stainless. Only problem is it weighs as much as my arm...

          As for efficiency, many have said that a good paint/barrel match increases efficiency. Why? There are three scenarios between your gun cycling and the ball leaving the barrel:

          1. The ball is too big for the barrel. In this situation the ball either breaks somewhere in the barrel from the pressure exerted on it from the rigid inner wall of the barrel, or it makes it out. If it doesn't break, the gun has to work harder to get the ball out of the barrel than it would if the ball were smaller. If you stick a ball that's too snug in a barrel and try to blow it out, you have to blow much harder than if the ball were a "good" fit, or would roll down the barrel on it's own. Blowing harder = more pressure behind the ball = more volume of air released from the bolt to create pressure in the breech.

          3. The ball is smaller than the bore of the barrel. In this case there is space around the ball where air can escape. If you try to physically blow a ball out of a barrel in this scenario you notice it's almost like blowing through the barrel with no ball at all. Some people have said that this air can cause opposing pressure in front of the ball, I don't know about that but I won't discount it.

          3. The ball and barrel are a "good match." As for what a "good match" is, I'm not sure. Some say that if you step down from the biggest size bore until the ball doesn't roll down the barrel anymore, go with that size. Others say that the paintball should completely seal the bore so that no air escapes around it (I call this the "bullet theory," because it's how real guns operate.) To me, "good match" means when you reach a happy medium between friction and air escaping around the ball when it doesn't fully seal the breech. Where this happy medium exists is difficult to determine because I don't know whether friction uses more air, or escaping air does. I would guess that escaping air does...

          As for accuracy, these days it's really achieved by volume, not by matching your paint to your barrel. Buy a barrel that's close to the paint you shoot, but doesn't fit it exactly (to avoid barrel breaks on swollen paint). Just don't buy Smart Parts.

          go banana
          Last edited by thejesus; 10-11-2004, 09:16 PM.
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          • rikkter
            • Jun 2002
            • 1804

            #20
            stainless? why not just titanium then, pretty much the strength or a stainless but weight of a aluminum

            my old teammate got a empire, but i never was impressed by it, neither was he as he never uses it anymore.
            viking #619

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            • thejesus
              i like ladies and guns...
              • Jun 2002
              • 199

              #21
              Originally posted by rikkter
              stainless? why not just titanium then, pretty much the strength or a stainless but weight of a aluminum
              Titanium = $$$$$$$$
              Primary: Black Ule Emag, Rogue Wingless Rail, X-Valve, CCM No-Rise, CP Rail Drop / on/off, Egg, 14" CP two piece, 70ci (peanut) dye throttle.

              For sale: Micromag RT, Intelliframe, Egg, 12" Dye Stainless, Kapp Foregrip, 88ci Smart Parts Max-Flo 4500psi.

              my AO feedback

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              • SpecialBlend2786
                Registered User
                • Jun 2003
                • 4023

                #22
                get a st!ffi

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                • tyrion2323
                  Euroball=goodness
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 1654

                  #23
                  Bummer to hear that. I've had nothing but luck with my Empire kit.

                  You might check out the new AIM paintball barrel kit.
                  My AIM Intimidator is better than your Automag. Get over it.
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                  • rikkter
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 1804

                    #24
                    true that titanium cost a lot but i wouldn't want a 2lb barrel lol
                    viking #619

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                    • Wc Keep

                      #25
                      im surpised that no one has mentioned the tighter shot groupings with a better bore sized ball. but anyways......

                      ive heard of this before and was told that if you call empire/national theyll send you a new barrel if you send them the old one and notice it is defective.

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