WARNING to everyone! M.A.X. cannot anodize Automags. (Please Read)

[personman]

Why would a automag be differnt then any other gun after Annoing it?

Because most other guns' tolerences arent affected by annodizing. How the body and rail fits together directly affects the length of the on/off pin.
Most other guns have 1 piece bodies, while mags have 2.

[tony3]

I believe because of the way the sear releases the bolt and how thick the anodizing was put on. I honestly don't know, I can just guess.

And to be honest, I don't think they even stripped my parts of the original anodizing which is why it's so thick. I am certainly going to contact them about it.

You can't just anno over old anno, its impossible. You HAVE to strip it off. Right now the pores of the metal are filled. If you need to anno you need to get the anno into the metal, and if the pores are filled, you can't get it to stay. It's impossible. If they don't fix it, or give you money to fix it, thats completely unacceptable.

[Empyreal Rogue]

I know Tony, but you know how the standard AGD ULE Body ano feels like you're rubbing Nylon? It has a rough feel to it and has that Nylon sound? Well I can still feel and even hear that over the Dust finish. It's odd, I know.

If they won't do anything, blood will be shed.

[Creative Mayhem]

I have NEVER heard of an anno job doing any damage that affects the tolerances. This is a first. IF it was stripped wrong, there could be too much metal taken off, but that shouldn't affect it that much. I know for a fact that powdercoating does affect due to making the parts significantly thicker, but anno does not have the same effect. The only thing i can think of is the combination of stripping too much off and a possible issue with the actual processes used by M.A.X. I would suggest you find out what the EXACT step they used for the strippng and re anno of your parts. Good luck

[tony3]

I know Tony, but you know how the standard AGD ULE Body ano feels like you're rubbing Nylon? It has a rough feel to it and has that Nylon sound? Well I can still feel and even hear that over the Dust finish. It's odd, I know.

If they won't do anything, blood will be shed.

It doesn't matter if its odd, it is impossible.

[BradAGD]

The anodizing didn't BUILD up a thickness, metal was REMOVED in the stripped process.

Send it down and I'll take a look. We work close with Max and I can tell for sure who is to blame.

cool?

[Rokudon]

I have NEVER heard of an anno job doing any damage that affects the tolerances. This is a first. IF it was stripped wrong, there could be too much metal taken off, but that shouldn't affect it that much. I know for a fact that powdercoating does affect due to making the parts significantly thicker, but anno does not have the same effect. The only thing i can think of is the combination of stripping too much off and a possible issue with the actual processes used by M.A.X. I would suggest you find out what the EXACT step they used for the strippng and re anno of your parts. Good luck

look another canadian! anyway annos do change thickness, considering it is a chemical change, and it does create crystaline aluminum oxide (which provides all its strength, and the layer also prevents more rusting). the process of annodizing is to rust the aluminum even more by exposing it to a very strong electrolyte (acids), and adding a cathode into the mixture, and completing the circuit form anode to cathode. it causes abnormal and accelerated rust to the point where the layer is thicker than normal and can take much more punishment before exposing more raw aluminum. unless i'm interpretting the picture wrong that i found on Doc Nickel's website ( in which i severely doubt, because it clearly shows that there will be a deviation in material thickness after anno) it WILL change thickness of parts. or of course, you could ignore the ramblings of a kid who spends too much time surfing on the net and taking too many sumemr engineering courses

[ScatterPlot]

I'm pretty sure that annoing something adds SOME material. Very little, but there is some I think. Like somewhere in the order of .0005 to .001 or something. But couldn't this issue be resolved by maybe lengthening the sear rod? Cause the on/off will stop as far as it goes in cause the sear will hit the bottom of the on/off body. The extent is goverened (I thought) by the amount that the pin will go out of the body. So if the pin is allowed to move to either extent, will it not work? I would like some clarification on this issue because of a project or two that I am working on.

[UThomas]

Max does incredible anno.

Did they disassemble and reassemble your gun?

[Tunaman]

I'd bet money on the fact that the anno is fine and the marker just needs to be set up correctly. I have noit seen one mag ruined yet because of an anno job. I'll take a look at it if you like. I am sure it can be straightened out.

[Echo419]

Those basterds.... dude that effin blows, are you able to play it with it (i know u stated a tech said u couldnt) but like can u shoot it? Cuz u can always likes shoot it until it bends or sum****, and be like MAX U motha!!! u coulda killed me... here comes the better business beurae (oh eff it i cant spell it), and there be like heres 5 free bodies

[luke]

didn't work with my X-Valve nor my friend's ReTro-Valve or another friend's E-Mag valve.

I have a hard time believing it's the anno when it didn't work in 3 different guns..

[mirthvader]

I would doubt the anno has affected the tolerances so much that the gun won't operate. It is possible but highly unlikely. Take up Brad's offer and send it to him. It's probably just an assembly issue or a valve problem.

[Mosfet]

I'd bet money on the fact that the anno is fine and the marker just needs to be set up correctly. I have noit seen one mag ruined yet because of an anno job. I'll take a look at it if you like. I am sure it can be straightened out.

What the heck was annoed to ruin the mag? Were the Valve and Reg internals anno'd or something? Sounds like user error to me. If MAX ruins mags, then they sure as heck must ruin Trixes and Shockers as well.

[Empyreal Rogue]

I have a hard time believing it's the anno when it didn't work in 3 different guns..

Ask ANYONE at the AO-Mid-Atlantic event, they'll prove to you that my marker didn't work with 3 different and properly tuned valves.

M.A.X. said they could do the Valve, I told asked them prior to me sending the marker (in separate pieces) if they could do it and they said "Yes. We have done Automags before, it won't be a problem." I even told them that Automag Valves can be very difficult to do and they said, "It's not a problem." So if it's my fault, I guess you can argue that but they assured me they could do it with no problems.

I'm not razzing on their business, it's great! Customer Service was A+, the job done was more than I could have asked for, they just didn't know exactly HOW picky the whole setup can be. I'm going to call them after school today and see what they say, then I'll decide what to do from there.