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  • JJBrookshire
    Registered User
    • Oct 2000
    • 215

    #1

    NEW Rules for Flying with Paintball Gear

    Sewell, NJ - Historically the transportation of compressed air cylinders via commercial aircraft required you to empty the cylinder before checking it. This was true for paintball and SCUBA cylinders. Over the past couple of months the rules have changed. One interpretation of these rules required paintball markers to be treated as firearms and another would have allowed SCUBA tanks in overhead! In an exclusive interview with Ron Sokolov, TSA's Executive Director of Customer Service and Education, Paintball2Xtremes has learned that effective immediately, the rules are as follows:

    Transporting Paintball Equipment

    Some paintball gear can be transported on-board the aircraft. Please refer to the guidelines below:
    Eye Protective Devices used in the sport of paintball are acceptable as checked or carry-on baggage.
    Compressed gas cylinders are allowed in checked baggage ONLY if the regulator valve is completely disconnected from the cylinder and the cylinder is no longer sealed (i.e. the cylinder has an open end). The cylinder must have an opening to allow for a visual inspection inside. TSA Security Screeners will NOT remove the seal/regulator valve from the cylinder at the checkpoint. If the cylinder is sealed (i.e. the regulator valve is still attached), the cylinder is prohibited and not permitted through the security checkpoint, regardless of the reading on the pressure gauge indicator. TSA Security Screeners must visibly ensure that the cylinder is completely empty and that there are no prohibited items inside.
    Markers (aka Paintball Guns) are prohibited from carry-on luggage. These items should be packed in checked luggage. These are not considered a firearm and may be transported in unlocked, soft or hard sided luggage.

    If you plan to fly with your cylinder you must do the following:


    Have a properly trained and qualified person remove the regulator/valve from your cylinder.
    Go to http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/e...orial_1745.xml and print four copies of the page.
    Using a rubber band place one copy around your cylinder.
    Place your cylinder without the regulator/valve in your checked baggage.
    Give one copy of the page to the person where you check in at the airport.
    Keep the other two copies for the flight home.
    Please note that this is a brand new change for TSA and the airlines. There may still be some risk that your cylinder will be confiscated, so make every effort to inform the screeners and airline personnel. If it looks like they will not allow your cylinder to be transported, you should ship it to your hotel. Please forward this to as many paintball players as possible and feel free to copy and paste it in it's entirety on paintball newsgroups and forums.
    J.J. Brookshire
    Director of Business Development
    National Paintball Supply, Inc.
  • Kevmaster
    Owners Group Div: Director
    • Oct 2001
    • 5475

    #2
    Thanks JJ....this applies across all airline companies, I assume?

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    • Creative Mayhem
      AO's OFFICIAL CANUCK
      • Apr 2002
      • 3633

      #3
      NICE!

      Thanks JJ!



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      • Athius
        Registered User
        • Apr 2003
        • 533

        #4
        Well my team-mates checked that thing about the hpa tanks. The TSA managers and employees said that it was ok to check them in if they are empty thats all.

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        • spleefstylez
          Red Sox National
          • Jun 2003
          • 1743

          #5
          Well, lets assume that most if not all individuals who fly with gear are knowledgeable enough to be able to remove/replace the reg/pin valve on their tanks. Some would consider this very unsafe. Stock up on your strap wrenches!
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          • thejesus
            i like ladies and guns...
            • Jun 2002
            • 199

            #6
            Hmm this makes me wonder if I should keep my max-flo... damn you smart parts...

            BTW thanks JJ, this is better than a bunch of people who really don't know for sure debating about it on another thread.
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            • JJBrookshire
              Registered User
              • Oct 2000
              • 215

              #7
              The RULE CHANGED TODAY

              Don't go by what may have been said yesterday. What I posted IS the rule. I know because I was in consultation with the director of the department at TSA that will enforce it over the past few weeks. He has forwarded the change to every supervisor at every airport in the US. If you try to check your air system with the reg in place, you will get to your destination minus your air system.
              J.J. Brookshire
              Director of Business Development
              National Paintball Supply, Inc.

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              • Blazingace
                ENGINE OF DESTRUCTION
                • Apr 2002
                • 829

                #8
                TSA is crap. I worked at Newark Intl' airport for 3 years. TSA is a crappy government money pit to make people feel secure. This HPA thing is BS. What the hell are the x-rays for? I have two AGD Flatline tanks and I will not take the regs off everytime I fly with them. TSA must be bored to be screwing with scuba divers and PB players now. BS

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                • shartley
                  paintball player
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 9169

                  #9
                  I am glad I drive everywhere now.

                  But thanks for the info. I already helped spread the word.

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                  • BobTheCow63
                    IAO Gold Star winner (BTK)
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 3832

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Blazingace
                    TSA is crap. I worked at Newark Intl' airport for 3 years. TSA is a crappy government money pit to make people feel secure. This HPA thing is BS. What the hell are the x-rays for? I have two AGD Flatline tanks and I will not take the regs off everytime I fly with them. TSA must be bored to be screwing with scuba divers and PB players now. BS
                    What are you talking about? Chill. As "crap" as it may be, TSA's in charge of everything now, so what they say goes. I don't really see a problem with this rule, at least now there IS a rule that everybody can know about.
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                    • manike
                      INCEPTIONDESIGNS.COM

                      • Jan 2001
                      • 3820

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Chris at Tech
                      Nice...finally some concrete info. Now it's just up to airline/TSA employees to know this info

                      Now that brings up a potential problem with people constantly detaching and reattaching the regulators from their tanks. With the recent rash of co2 tank related injuries, how can we avoid this in this situation?

                      Will players arriving late at night before their tournament starts have enough time to safely reattach and re-loctite their regs to their tanks before the start of play?

                      Of course, you guys with regs that easily detach from the tanks are way ahead. I miss my Max Attack already .
                      Quoted Chris before deleting my duplicate thread.

                      Chris, we are working on a way to make sure all tank valve systems are safe even without loctite. It's been a development that has been done and tested during this year. It is going into production now.

                      I think in general that fewer people fly with co2 tanks so it wouldn't be a huge issue. If they do then the cost to upgrade your valve won't be very high.

                      There is less of a need to loctite regs onto Nitrogen tanks, I've never had mine loctited on. By the time you are able to unscrew the reg there is normally very little energy in the tank and it will bleed out around the threads before you can get the reg off. But with that said our safety developments will be implemented on all of the threaded parts going into tanks.
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                      • hardr0ck68
                        I miss Tom
                        • Oct 2001
                        • 783

                        #12
                        why dont we just use left hand threads?
                        i just dont get why the bottle/ reg AND the system/ ASA are threaded in the same direction....pick left threading for one or the other and everything will be MUCH safer.

                        Also there should NOT be locktight on any bottle threads, it will eventually screw up the threads the reg should jut be tightened to about 10 foot pounds or so (according to the hydro guy at my local dive shop)
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                        • JJBrookshire
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2000
                          • 215

                          #13
                          Left Hand Thread Issues

                          At one time I advocated left hand threads but have been convinced that it is not a good idea for a couple of reasons:

                          #1 people may then over "screw in" and thus remove the cylinder.
                          #2 people not realizing the situation may damage the threads trying to "remove" the reg.


                          As for accidental removal of a high pressure screw-in reg, I'm not convinced that it is a serious issue. A system under pressure of more than 1200 psi will be very hard to unscrew due to the force being applied by the gas pressure inside. A system that has less than 1200 psi in compressed air or Nitrogen will dump so quickly once the threads begin to unscrew that it should not retain thrust.
                          J.J. Brookshire
                          Director of Business Development
                          National Paintball Supply, Inc.

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                          • JJBrookshire
                            Registered User
                            • Oct 2000
                            • 215

                            #14
                            To Loctite or Not to Loctite

                            If you visit http://www.carltech.com/new-composite/valves.html you will see that at least one of the manufacturers of the composite cylinders used in paintball supports NO Loctite.
                            J.J. Brookshire
                            Director of Business Development
                            National Paintball Supply, Inc.

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                            • Hasty8
                              Registered User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 1136

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Blazingace
                              TSA is crap. I worked at Newark Intl' airport for 3 years. TSA is a crappy government money pit to make people feel secure. This HPA thing is BS. What the hell are the x-rays for? I have two AGD Flatline tanks and I will not take the regs off everytime I fly with them. TSA must be bored to be screwing with scuba divers and PB players now. BS
                              Hrrmmm...maybe the X-ray is to make sure there's no bomb, cash, drugs or other prohibited items in it?

                              As for making sure the tank is decompressed, considering the fact that at cruising altitude (35,000 feet) the air pressure outside the plane is .3 atmosphere and the plane is only pressurized to around .85 atmospheres, I would say it's a good think to depressureize and potentially explosive air canisters.

                              Just keep in mind that air travel is not a "right" so if you get booted off a plane for not following the rules no one is to blame but yourself.

                              I'm curious though. What did you do at NWK?
                              Last edited by Hasty8; 10-22-2004, 08:38 AM.
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