Another one of those rambling which marker threads....lol

[matmc89]

I would go with 05 speed, faster than the matrix and they feel very good. Very solidly built. All you gotta do is clean out the breech and barrel(about a min with a squeegee) then every 8000 shots drop a little oil in it and every 20000 you grease it...easy.

Vikings and excaliburs are also great choices.(I have an excalibur fs )

[FallNAngel]

Yeah, I'm such a punk for stating the obvious truth. What teufelhunden says below sums up what I was trying to get at.

I hardly consider three drops of oil into the ASA before you screw the tank in 'maintenance' ..

The "maintenance" you're talking about takes all of what... 2 minutes *TOPS* ? If you have to take the valve out to lube anything else up, that's one whole screw. So for your maintenance, you're looking at a small bottle of oil and an allen wrench and 2 minutes of time before you start the day. I hate to tell it to you, but that's extremely minor. That's if you even *have* to take the valve out. Like Lohman446 said, you'll probably be looking at that much maintenance (or more) on just about any high end gun you get.

Oil guns will probably need to be oiled more often than grease guns. Grease guns on the other hand will more than likely need to have the old grease cleaned off first and take a bit longer to do.

[Creative Mayhem]

I honestly can't remember the last time I actually oiled my xmag(i think i should sometime soon ) I don't get the opportinity to play all that often, but when I do I usually just oull the xmag out, gas up and go. My Minimag was a different story... I think in the 12 years I have had it, I dont think I have oiled it much and it just keeps going, mind you that was before LX.. I find that the LX itself needs the oil more than the rest of the valve. The bolt stem sliding in and out of the carrier orings tend to really work the oil hard. S really, it's not a suprise that it needs a little more oil. The mag, even with LX really needs the least amount of maintenace than any other marker out there once setup. No offense, but you seem to be looking for the "golden goose", and it just doesnt exist. ALL markers need oiling, and occasional maintenace, but the mag truely is the best marker I have owned.

Just adding my .02 as well.

[Evil1]

When I used to shoot my old mag and minimag back in the day they required very little maintenance. They both had classic AIR valves level 7 I believe, and they literally could sit for months and shoot just like the last time they were played with. In mid 2002 I got an RT pro and while it shot great, it required frequent attention like you said with constant oiling, leaks if not used frequently, and finicky chrono procedures. I guess I expected the same amount of maintenance as the standard valve being it was the standard valves successor(Retro valve) In 2003, I picked up an x valve for my newly acquired emag and with the lvl 10 bolt, it brought the term frequent maintenance to a new level. The gun now required rediculious amounts of oil not to leak down the barrel no matter what carrier selection I used, hours and hours of tuning the level 10 kit,and the purchase of a new lvl 10 kit, thinking my original was defective. I found myself staying up into the late hours of the morning every day before play tuning my x valve and lvl 10 to work properly. When I did play with it, It would work great most of the time, but was prone to screw up at the worst possible moments. It always seemed to me that if you got the lvl 10 to do one thing right, like reset all of the time, it would leak or simply not shoot. It just seemed like I could never get the lvl 10 to do everything it was supposed to do all at once. It was either one or the other. I finally got frustrated with the lvl 10 and went back to lvl 7 without any chopping problems ever. I even knew some people with emags and rts and they didn't have as many problems as I did but still had the frequent maintenance and such. As for easily maintained guns, I will have to agree with torbo on timmies. All they really require is the ram to be regreased every few cases and the bolt to be cleaned off. I know vikings are pretty maintenance friendly too. Angels aren't bad either. Angels just require the purchase of an angel tool kit if you really want to adjust the lpr or remove the ram on an angel. Angels also require the purchase of a metric hex key set.

[eaglelox]

my minimag L7 sat in the closet for almost 3 years and shot as soon as i gased it up. of coarse i oiled it up with 2 dropes of oil before the game just for good measure

[punkncat]

Not neccesarily what Fallen said , but how he said it that griped my cookies....Actually I am not sure there is a way to be that sarcastic and still be nice.

I hardly consider three drops of oil into the ASA before you screw the tank in 'maintenance' ..

I agree completly , but this was hardly a "drop some oil and go" some days. I would spend half my day and tanks of air getting it to stop leaking before I could play. Sometimes just dealing with a slow leak all day to be able to play.

RT pro and while it shot great, it required frequent attention like you said with constant oiling, leaks if not used frequently, and finicky chrono procedures. I guess I expected the same amount of maintenance as the standard valve being it was the standard valves successor(Retro valve) In 2003, I picked up an x valve for my newly acquired emag and with the lvl 10 bolt, it brought the term frequent maintenance to a new level. The gun now required rediculious amounts of oil not to leak down the barrel.....hours and hours of tuning the level 10 kit....staying up into the late hours of the morning every day before play tuning ...When I did play with it, It would work great most of the time, but was prone to screw up at the worst possible moments

...not the only person who got fed up with that stuff out of their LX.

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I just love when some punk has to throw in his .02......

OK , Mr. Smarty pants.

The reason that I found it a problem was the claim that "RT's can sit in the trunk of your car for months , pull it out and play w/o doing anything to it." I am not quoting word for word , but this was said by TK regarding his new valves. I am completly aware that all markers require maintainance on a regular basis to operate properly. I would just like to find one that doesn't require it every single time I get to the field.

I am not really sure that I had a point in posting this here , but it certainly wasn't to be the target of your crappy attitude or smart arse replies. I can get all I want of that from my 12 year old daughter.....

I've been shooting my RT-Pro with X-valve for over a year.. bout a year and a half, now.

Here's the O-ring Tally:

2 Carrier rings (Reg Seat Ring, but, uhh... in the powertube, of course)

1 Reg Seat

1 Regulator body ring (Not kidding! of all the ones to replace!)

4 Bumpers

I had a bit of break-in period where it needed a bit of oil..... But nowadays all I really need is a few drops in the ASA before a weekend.

I've seen the occasional 'attention needing' mag. One of my friends had one. A fellow AO-er took a look at it and ended up getting the thing to sing...