A quick poll about cheaters

[Meph]

I went for #2. I've been saying for a while now a good way to "stop" many cheaters is within magazines. Publicizing who cheats, what teams, and their sponsors. Making it sound like their sponsor is supporting them and supporting cheating. Public humiliation is quite effective.

Either way the problem really isn't that cheating's there, or that you can prove they did it. It's that the penalties aren't even close to as harsh as they should be. I don't know if people would wipe should a $5,000 fine be attached to each one.

Players can suck up a player being taken out of the game, but not many will want a financial hit to their pocket!

Wiping isn't cheating. It's a violation of the rules.

Okay............ logic behind this statement? I thought violating the rules was what cheating is?

[ScatterPlot]

I had this problem a little while ago, and I yelled my head off that I saw one break on the guy as he kept playing on. I'm pretty sure his teammates were too, cause my friends agreed with me later. So after confrontation doesn't work, then do you think I'm gonna go out if I can get away with playing on? Note this was recball, not a tourney situation. But I was livid, and they were army guys for crying out loud

[teufelhunden]

Okay............ logic behind this statement? I thought violating the rules was what cheating is?

It's breaking the rules. Do you consider jumping offsides in football cheating? How about icing in hockey or balking in baseball?

[ScatterPlot]

Of course would you not consider one of those special weird bats in Baseball that are against the rules cheating? The ones with like cork or metal or hollowness or whatever in the middle. It's like having someone look at the cards for you in casino poker and radio them in to you. It's like having cards up your sleeve. Some things that break the rules are not cheating, like fouling someone in basketball to stop the clock or something. But there are some things that are against the rules, like having cards of your own in poker or something. It's pretty much impossible to deem one thing cheating over another, but IMO "playing dirty" constitutes cheating, like wiping, hitting in the crotch in football, nailing someone in basketball, falling to make it look worse than it was, and wiping. Yeah I would say wiping is playing dirty, like shooting for the head or the nards, or bonus balling like crazy.

[Meph]

It's breaking the rules. Do you consider jumping offsides in football cheating?

If they jump offsides and are doing that to get a head start before the snap, damn right it's cheating. Crossing the line of scrimmage before the snap... that's not cheating?

Again, use logic!

*edit*
NPPL 2004 Rule Book V.35.01 ""

So by performing this task it is not cheating?

Might I suggest you read a dictionary, plenty of definitions in there including "To violate rules deliberately, as in a game"

Logic... Please!

[BlackWeenie]

very well put. Touneys now are full of hidden cheat tactics:

> the Pete Rose belly slide for no apparent reason
> The running with a cupped hand in front of the mask so that if a ball is headed in that direction - it will hit the palm which can then be then squeezed shut and all evidence lost

or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they dive into bunkers so that theyre lower to the ground and are thus harder to hit. i also have a conspiracy theory that states: balls bounce off of your soft hands more often than off your hard mask.

[GT]

wow,
there is alot od text in this thread. I'll add my .02 bucks and not read anyone elses, . If I see someone cheat, I pull them aside and have a little chat. It may just be that I think they cheated yet I couldnt really see what was going on.

If it happens twice I know there a little cheating bastard, and reminding the ref of his job is inorder.


allowing people to cheat in this sport futher degrades our integraty. If you choost to do that fine, but rest assured your just as big of a problem as the cheater, and your days are number.

[Lohman446]

Well... lets have this little scenario

You get a lane on an exposed part of me, send five or six of your special "super always break never bounce I follow trajectory perfectly with my eyes" paintballs.

I duck into the bunker and come out shooting again a few seconds later - but you saw it, I must have cheated. Or you watched the balls, maybe got a bounce, maybe watched one break on the side of the bunker and thought it hit me.

So now you play super vigilante and decide it is your "duty" on the field to punish me. You decide bonus balling is the appropriate answer and do it. The first time I take it as an accident, things happen. The second or third time I'm getting rather annoyed by it and its becoming apparant that it is deliberate. The fourth time you do it I dump a pod in my hopper, take an angle on you and start dumping pods of paint at you. We'll just play "painball" until we settle our differences ok. Sounds fair to me right? I can nearly gaurentee that I am going to take more hits than you before you decide vigilante "justice" is not the way to go. Would what I be doing vigilante justice. Sure... but in all reality if I can't stand to play with someone because of how they play I am either going to calmly talk to someone in charge about it or not play... its not my job to enforce the rules.

[teufelhunden]

A corked bat is a performance enhancer, just like roids or a ramping gun. Cheating. Jumping offsides gets you caught. Not cheating. Anybody who's ever played a sport at the varsity or even JV level knows that you bend the rules. Whether it's pushing off on a post move or holding in football, everybody does it knowing they can get caught but knowing the payoff is worth it if they don't.

You can scream "logic, please" all you want.. because you fail to see it. It takes a special skill to be able to break the rules and get away with it.. the same way it takes a special skill to pull 23 bps, the same way it takes a special skill to dunk a basketball or hit a home run.

[SoccerPaintball3]

i hate cheater!!!!!

[Flow_Tech]

defintly number option 3.

[Duzzy]

I don't think that going out of bounds is really cheating. To me cheating is purposely breaking rules to gain an unfair advantage/or win.

Slipping out of bounds IS breaking a rule. Slipping out of bounds IS NOT cheating unless...

You try to cover it up so you won't have to accept the penalty (b/c it is rule breaking and therefore comes with a penalty).

I will however say that cheating can never be an accident, that is how I define it. If someone is hit and doesn't know about it then it is an accident, and if they accept the penalty with grace and some amount of tact then it should not be held against them. It is cheating when they purposely play on knowing that they are hit, and if they know it, then it cannot be an accident.

Anybody who's ever played a sport at the varsity or even JV level knows that you bend the rules. Whether it's pushing off on a post move or holding in football, everybody does it knowing they can get caught but knowing the payoff is worth it if they don't.

That doesn't make it right, and I do know what you are talking about because I played HS B-ball (even though I sucked at it). I know about the whole "take the charge even when they don't hit you hard enough to knock you over." I have seen 240 lb Posts fall over when a 150 lb forward runs into them and they get the charge call. If you have to cheat to win then why play? Anyone can cheat, not everyone can do it well but every competitive game involves gaining skill, and without that component is there really a point to competing?

That said I don't like cheating, and I think that a "don't care" attitude is not the way to go. If you play fair against a cheater you won't win. If they wipe everytime they are hit, and you go out, then you won't win. And that takes away the point of the game, and pointless things get really boring really fast. They will always cheat because, "If no one cares then it cannot possibly be the wrong thing, or a bad thing, because if it was someone would care."

Plus cheating has a negative impact on our sport, when new players go out into a game where people cheat and no one cares they won't have fun, they will get frustrated because no matter what they do or how hard they try they won't win. So they in turn either cheat or quit. I am done for now, if I think of anything else to rant about I am sure everyone will know soon enough. Peace.

[Kevmaster]

honestly, i dont see the big problem with cheating

cheating is one way of getting ahead. just like you'd never try to cheat in a pick-up basketball game, you'd prolly never try to cheat in a rec ball game.

in a tournie, though, its acceptable, IMHO, to cheat. its just like any other sport. when you cheat, you know there is a consequence IF you get caught. if you get caught, then you have to face that conesquence. if you don't then props to you.

i dont know why everyone gets all bent outta shape about cheating and such when it happens and is ACCEPTED in every other sport. its a part of the game. sometimes intentional, sometimes not--either way, part of the game


thats the reason for my position. if you're playing rec, you shouldn't be cheating. its not worth it.
if its a tourny, im going to try to get the ref to catch you, but im not MAD if he didnt and you got away with it

[TeamNausea]

you forgot the "Bonus Ball them" option

^^^

[gc82000]

Shoot them in the neck and let them know it was you.