A quick poll about cheaters

[minimag03]

If you really want to get the person, do all three. Get a picture, ask your friends if they think the same thing about them, and then get him/her to admit that they are doing it. Chances are they will never cheat again, or atleast at your field.

[hitech]

Wiping isn't cheating. It's a violation of the rules. Same way that any contact on a shot in basketball is a violation of the rules.

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE.

It's as far from a "foul" in basketball as it can be. It's MUCH closer to corking a bat in baseball. Or using steroids.

[Southparkrocks]

I COMPLETELY DISAGREE.

It's as far from a "foul" in basketball as it can be. It's MUCH closer to corking a bat in baseball. Or using steroids.

Nah I'd say it's more a foul too, I consider ramping more like corking a bat or using steroids.

[hitech]

Nah I'd say it's more a foul too, I consider ramping more like corking a bat or using steroids.

It is more like ramping. A much better example is moving your golf ball from a bad lie to a better lie. Or stepping on someone else's ball to bury it a little more. It's not at all like a foul. A foul is intended to be part of the game. Wiping is not.

[ScatterPlot]

Like I said, it's basically "playing dirty" that constitutes cheating. A foul can be cheating or not. Usually not, but if you like slug the guy in the balls that's cheating in my book. If you need to cheat to win, you are a homosexual.

[SlartyBartFast]

A foul can be cheating or not.

I wouldn't say that. Most fouls are things that you don't want to happen in a game and want to punish, but will occasionally happen unintentionally.

Some games/sports even distinguish between intentional fouls and unintentional ones.

It is very difficult to unintentionally wipe.

[Lohman446]

I have tried to think of a way to say this nicely, and now I have decided screw it it needs said eventually. No, Im not in a good mood when I make this post... but this whole type of thread is friggin annoying.

You know what I think is hurting paintball as much as actual cheating? People who have the need to whine about what they perceive as cheating at every chance. I hear more about cheating then I think I can ever possibly see, each incident of perceived cheating is blown so far out of porportion as to be stupid. If I had read these forums, and listened to people before I played I would have never played. A lot of people are whining to much about it.

I hear all over here... I track the ball to them, and then call them out, if they don't go out they must have cheated. You have magic eyes? Magic paintballs? Tracers? Something the rest of us don't have. Maybe your not that good, maybe it nicked the bunker, maybe just maybe it bounced.

I'm sick of being told about the times I cheated when I didn't. I was at tournament the other day and our team had three three man teams there. One of my own teammates had the nerve to whine that I had "rolled" over for our other team to kick them down in standing. And he would not give up about it... now I had not rolled, they beat me fair and square. He demeaned my play in doing so, my teammates playing with me play, and the other teams play (who were my team to). He then tried to get the next team to roll for him...

I'm sick of people yelling across field "get out get out get out get out" "ref ref ref ref I hit him" when a) I check my own hits and call myself when I see them and b) there are refs on top of me. It gets friggin ridiculous, when accusing someone of cheating in fact becomes a way to cheat (yelling for paintchecks to distract refs) its gone to far.

I'm sick of recballers telling me since I play tournaments I must cheat. I'm sick of being in a position where if I win I will be told I had to have cheated. And you know what, its normally not the other team saying it... those I play again and congratulate at the end of a day... its the people who want to do nothing but sit and whine about why they don't play tournaments. Maybe its because you don't want to risk loosing, maybe its because if you loose "the other guys cheated" is a convenient excuse. When my team looses it is ALWAYS my fault... I take responsibility for making the calls, I take responsibility for not covering mistakes of others, and I take responsibility for my own mistakes, gun malfunctions, whatever. I don't need to come up with some excuse for why the other team cheated me.

I'm sick of this I'm going to be a vigilante attitude. Accuse me of cheating off the field, you better be prepared to back it. Decide to unload a hopper on me because you thought I cheated you better be prepared not to be on that field again.

I'm sick of logging onto threads, and seeing a good portion of people who seldom play tournaments whine about the cheating within (not everyone). I'm sick of people who want to tell me every slide is a cheat... I slid it must have been to wipe . Get over it... it happens... quit whining because your making it sound like it is all that happens at tournaments. Maybe its different where you live.

[hitech]

I'm sick of being told about the times I cheated when I didn't...

I understand your frustration. It's a symptom of the problem. Those who cheat give those who don't a bad name.

I do agree with you on the tracking of a paintball into someone. If you did not see it HIT ON THE OPPOSING PLAYER you have NO idea if it broke.

Sliding to cover up hits, calling paint checks to distract refs., calling to the opposing player to check themselves/get out (every tournament player needs to learn to ignore those) has been going on in tournaments for over ten years. That was all happening when I played tournaments, back in the stone ages! However, it has gotten more prevalent (at least what I've seen). And it's not all that hard to fix. However, not enough players want it fixed. At least, that's how I see it.

Rec. play cheating drives me crazy. It's always amazed me how I can't seem to hit anyone until someone with me gets hit and then watches the players opposing me. All to often then get hit and eliminated rather quickly.

[Duzzy]

I have tried to think of a way to say this nicely, and now I have decided screw it it needs said eventually. No, Im not in a good mood when I make this post... but this whole type of thread is friggin annoying.

You know what I think is hurting paintball as much as actual cheating? People who have the need to whine about what they perceive as cheating at every chance.

I'm sick of being told about the times I cheated when I didn't.

I'm sick of recballers telling me since I play tournaments I must cheat. I'm sick of being in a position where if I win I will be told I had to have cheated.

I'm sick of logging onto threads, and seeing a good portion of people who seldom play tournaments whine about the cheating within (not everyone). I'm sick of people who want to tell me every slide is a cheat... I slid it must have been to wipe . Get over it... it happens... quit whining because your making it sound like it is all that happens at tournaments. Maybe its different where you live.

This is why some people have been trying to post non-whiny arguments on why cheating is not acceptable no matter where it happens.