A Different Hot of the Mill Emag Extreme

[Maghog]

I read all the comments about the first one and I'm surprised that this one has more favorable reviews.
I loved the finely etched patterns all over the first one, this model seems to be displaying more of an attempt to shave the body down to as little as possible.
I like the concept of making the gun lighter, but there's a lack of continuity in this design that leads one to think that this milling was done if only to reduce the weight of the receiver.
The other design was more complete in my opinion, this one looks like it's not done yet.
One suggestion, make two large finger grooves on the grip frame instead of three little ones...I've done both and have to say that two is much more comfortable.
The trigger design is decent, do yourselves a favor and shave the front edges of the trigger face down to nice rounded shapes. Your fingers will love you for it.

Manike-we discussed roughing out an extreem body with excess amounts of aluminum specifically for carving. Any chance you mentioned that to John yet?

[Snooky]

A great improvement over the caveman/xman model as i like to call it. I really like how the front end of the gun looks and the back isn't all to bad either but i would like to see some other examples before you go with the back end. I like the tubeular grip however if it had finger grooves or a cover much like the RT it would probally feel better and look better. I think your onto something though and once again much better improvement over the first. What i want most is too see the lions on the gun somewhere becuase i love those lions becuase its like a coat of arms. Show me the lions!

[Bad Dave]

Once annodised I think these designs will look a lot better.

AT this stage I guess these designs just indicate a rough direction for the design to follow which will be improved upon over time, as such I feel this is a good design to follow but cover up a little more of the valve and twist it like someone else suggested.

[Manuel_FZR]

YES YES YES!!!
This one looks much much much better than the first! Your on the right way!
The first aim should be to mill sa much as possible away No pictures/grafics/... ! Good work! Keep it minimalistic! The less is often more!

I think the "normal" battery pack looks better, but I never had one in my hands ... so if the round is better to hold, keep the round.

[shartley]

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by shartley
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You know what I think? I think you need to get away from trying to reduce weight. If you want to do that, DESIGN the marker lighter in the first place.
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[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Originally posted by shartley
I was HOPING that you would take the first one, and since you said it was sculpted, just smooth out all the etching. You know, keep the basic shape you were trying to get, just refine it and smooth it out.

It just goes to show how much you can see from a picture in 2D... this one is EXACTLY the same sides as the last one just smoothed out instead of cutting the pattern into it... exactly what you say above...

Oh and with one prototype cut for some module stuff they are doing at the back and bottom of the module. This has been removed from subsequent programs.

It just has extra on the slot (because you all said to show the valve...) and on the top of the body to give it a motorbike saddle look... all the lines flow from each other and are tangential/parrallel where possible.

The bottom of the body is the same width as the top of the grip frame.

It is a very sleek design.

I'm gonna tie down John 'the Bang' Sosta from taking pics until the bodies are finished as you guys cleary are having trouble looking at raw aluminium parts and imagining what they will look like when finished

The body does fit to the width of the module, it flows out to fit it at the front and then back in after the module. It looks a little weird in the pic beucase you can not see the 3D shape and because all the ally parts are in different levels of finish.

The blade trigger has to be 'fat' to get the magnet into it, this is just a quick prototype I knocked up. I'm working on how to make one and make it 'look' thinner.

You can't please all of the people all of the time.

manike

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Originally posted by Manuel_FZR
Like in motorcycle-racing, you have to go step by step to get the light-weight of a racing bike ...

The inspiration for the top of this one was a motorbike saddle and rear mudguard. I'm not sure if the pictures show that but that's what the top of it looks like. You should like it Manual_FZR. It definitely looks racy.

All the lines are fluid polynoms and tantential curves and the shape idea also extends onto the square battery pack that we are cutting.

These are all going to be limited edition designs. You can still buy the standard extreme. If you don't like it don't buy it. Just wait for the next design to come along that you do like.

I'm not trying to design one gun that will fit everyone. I'm doing different styles for each gun.

manike

[shartley]

ManikeManuel_FZR

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

The circular battery pack does actually work. We will be introducing it as an option on the Xtreme. The battery shape & the Cut & Carve designs are all options. We are trying to give you a choice. It's just like anodising, some of you like black, others want red, some go for fade & chrome, everyone has their own opinion of what looks good.
Some of you have said that the design looks like cutting for the sake of it. Well isn't that what Cut & Carve is ?
It's purely cosmetic, it doesn't do anything for the performance of the product. On this particular design, we were trying to reduce weight, and make the gun look good. Again, this may not appeal to everyone, but we have reduced the weight by 5 ozs.
We are going to get these different designs anodised, and then post pics, you will notice a big improvement, as raw aluminum doesn't really do it justice.

[Manuel_FZR]

Originally posted by shartley

[shartley]

Manike

[shartley]

Manuel_FZR

[mountaindud]

I like it a lot I have only two suggestions:

1) Make the foregrip with finger grooves like all the aftermarket foregrips for regular MAGs.

2) Ship them with custom made Dye Sticky Grips like you did with the Intelliframe.

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Shartley,

I like that battery a lot. I can do that very easily. I will model it up.

The body is not quite so easy, we are currently limited by the extrusion we have. To shave in like you have in your 2D picture would actually cut into the barrel threaded area and it would cut through into where the valve is much more. As you cut into the side you start coming into the internal 3D shape of the valve and this dictates a lot about what you are doing. If I were starting from a square block it would be easier to do that. I'll model it up later though and see how possible it is. Sometimes you can make pictures but it's just not possible to do in reality. I'll try.

For instance the front of the bodies we are customising are already machined and I think to do your design I would need more material there... not possible with this run of bodies. Once they make them nice and square as stock then that will be easier and I will be able to do more very different designs.

It looks like you have radiused it (smoothed the lines) to produce a softer shape. This may be possible. There is only 1.5mm of material in a lot of places over the valve, this means you can only cut so far before breaking through...

If you look at the CAD files I did for the fantasy E-mag competition you may get a better idea of the 3D geometry, please feel free to use those to help. Keep up with the designs it all helps.

I'm currently designing fixtures and jigs for the guys here so new body designs are on hold for the moment.

manike