A Different Hot of the Mill Emag Extreme

[headcase]

Originally posted by kilaueakid
Could the breech be milled more or are you leaving it alone for a reason? Seems to me there is some meet that could come off that as well.

kila

They are leaving it alone for a reason. Since the breach is removable if you get one that is milled to match the body style, in say vertical feed, and then down the road buy, say a warp breach, it's going to look pretty stupid with this large blocky breach.

Also I wouldn't be surprised if it had to do with the structural integrity of the breach. If they start cutting metal off if it, it is possible that the "legs"(the parts that rest on either side of the body" could break.

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Shartley,

Did you intend for the battery pack to just be two lines cut into it or to be like three different levels?

Lines would be very easy but I was thinking three levels, but I have only 0.5mm that can be removed TOTAL! so each level would be 0.25mm deeper. It should work but all depends on part tolerances and set ups...

Would also cost a lot to machine... But I like the look

I need to get back to the mill. Lunch is almost over and the slavedrivers are back

manike

[shartley]

Manike

[Bluntman]

If they're gonna be limited edition do something more like the first one, just on ridalin so it's a little calmer. Cause I like that one more, but not if everyone gets one.

[steveg]

shartley and Manike. You can achieve a lot of the sculpted
look with very minimal metal removal.
We had a customer who was machining microwave antenna parts
on a makino machining center It was leaving the occasional
3 micron dip (.003mm VERY small) along straight lines.
surprisingly these dips were very visible to the naked eye
Admittedly 3 micron might be a bit subtle and beyond the
abilities of a Haas, but you get the point.

[paintballrulzs]

beutiful! i new u would get it

[OhMyAMoose]

This new one is very sexy, I like it. But I dont think that this one should be the final design. There is something that needs to be changed. I just cant put my finger on it. Once I see the battery pack then it will be easier to tell what works. Keep up the good work.

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Steveg,

yes you can notice 3 microns. You can see 1 micron differences in surface finish. Anything over 10 microns is a significant amount and can be quite easily felt as well as seen. I used to be annoyed with parts inspecting 50 microns out...

We are not working with parts that are that accurately made though. We are working with extrusions so we need to cut a significant amount to ensure as the surface moves in and out that the cut still looks uniform.

The machine accuracy and set up accuracy is vital for this (I'm trying to tech John 'the bang' Sosta just how important 0.1mm (100microns) is... ) and is one reason I've stopped work on bodies to get some better more accurate fixtures made.

I'm currently programming to 0.01 tolerance (10 microns). I could go down to 0.001 and I have had parts off of the machine where I used to work inspect to within 10 microns and that is after all tolerances are stacked up!

Bluntman these are going to be very limited edition. If you want one like the first version you will be able to call up and order it.

Shartley, I've done my share of designing and worked with designers my whole working career. I used to work in the Automotive industry in design and concept (Rover, Land Rover, BMW, Lincoln, Jaguar, Aston Marin...) I've worked onprojects from design concept to production parts (I did a huge amount on the new BMW Mini, from concept to production) The best designs always come from people that do have an inkling of what is actually possible.

Some designers I know just have their heads in the clouds, which is why their stuff looks great but you will never ever see it on sale or in production. This means it helps if we work within the bounds of what is feasable for the moment. Outrageous fantasy mags are cool, but not much point if we can't produce it...

So we need to go from the standard xtreme and remove material. We can not add it and we can not have material nicely annodised where the barrel or valve should actually be

Ideas all help though. The design and concept process spanning thousands of miles... pretty rare and pretty cool.

manike

Guys,

one thing I will say is none of the pictures you have seen actually do the 3D shape justice. Once we get a few anno'd and assembled I think they will be very visual.

[SGTKennedy]

i want a pink mag with fins.

I like the looks of this new one also... i would like it more combined with a bat pack like Shartley has on the concept. With so much of the vavle visible would the whole thing be powdercoated? because the pic with valve in looks funny to me.

Edit:I also think this would be even better without the Raw aluminum, an Anno isnt practical but maybe a quick coat of a glossy black Spraypaint on the body to just give people the idea of a finished product?

[Bluntman]

To add to my idiotic ramblings, I think the trigger should be smoothed out on the edges a little, I don't think you can make it smaller but just try and get rid of those edges, and can you not make the first one until oh say I get a job, cause I only have 7 dollars.

[shartley]

Manike AntwanRT

I also think this would be even better without the Raw aluminum, an Anno isnt practical but maybe a quick coat of a glossy black Spraypaint on the body to just give people the idea of a finished product?

[John Sosta, AGD Europe]

Bluntman, do you own an E-mag? if so go get a job and I will sell you that prototype as is for 7$ (with proof of your new job of course).

That trigger was something I designed quickly in 15mins as we were waiting for lunch, it was just a quicky and is very rough. I don't like it that much and will be working on a nicer one when I get time. Trouble is it's a lot of work for a small part. How much do custom triggers usually sell for? They are a pain in the Arse to machine and finish and set up for small batches.

I wasn't expecting pics of it to make it onto the net. You can't belive how priveleged you guys are seeing such early prototype stuff, tooling marks and all. Everyone else waits for a glossy annodised product before showing it off...

manike

[shartley]

or.... you get the idea.
Well.. I have to run.... check back later.

[paintbattler]

i'd take it in a heartbeet. nice milling

[TITAN]

i dont really like the round battery i actually like the regular one better and i really dont like the milled trigger frame at all, and the blade trigger looks a little weird but maybe it feels good