ever wonder how much it really cost to produce any gun

[fdrsk8boarder]

ok my little rant, i kno everyone has to make thier money but did you ever wonder how much it really costs to produce any type of gun (say a angel at 1400) and then the price that it gets marked up to the time it gets to the consumer.

i guess u can say im kinda hooked up in the bmx world and a bike that would of cost someone 2,000 dollars cost me about 1,000. a frame that came to 350 i payed 150, while the company still made their profit.
it just kills me sometimes how expensive things are when they dont need to be. dont get me wrong i kno that everyone has to make thier money but when does it turn into being greedy

[Target Practice]

Posting before this becomes a crapfest.

Most people don't consider the scope of a business when they consider the cost of a marker.
Just a short list off the top of my head....

Raw materials
Design time (engineers, draftsman, programmers)
Manufacturing time and resources (both human and machine)
Wear and tear on the machine
Outsourcing costs
Utilities
Lease costs for the manufacturing facility
Advertising

The list goes on and on. Most of these things are things that people don't consider.

[White Wolf]

and what it comes down to is places charge what people are willing to pay. Not like PB is a life or death need its a total luxury item and there is no real cap on what people are willing to spend on those type items.

Did you think about how many people had to pay full price so you could get your discounted BMX bike? Thats one of the things that goes in to the real cost, they are using you as advertising, you get it cheap so other people see how cool you are and go and buy the bike at full price. If you didn't take the cheap bike that was offered everyone else would pay less for there bike. So your part of the problem

[SpecialBlend2786]

same thing can be said for CD's and DVD's. Sure, it may cost less than 2 cents to make a DVD, but there are other factors involved, such as liscensing and other stuff

[urbansix]

Don't forget the built-in cost of paying off SP

[Lohman446]

Don't forget the built-in cost of paying off SP

I wish before people would bash a company they would have a clue what they were talking about. He used an Angel as an example - WDP does not pay off SP, in fact a judge has ruled that they jointly hold the patent that SP had. Who does pay off SP anyways - maybe ICD, likely Planet Eclipse. I expect there deal with Dye amounts to we use the spool valve, you use electronics were all happy and with NPS its you sell our stuff we let you be.

[UThomas]

The key term as others have mentioned is "Allocated overhead." The direct materials cost of something these days is very rarely indicative of its 'true' cost. Generally paintball stuff is low volume, and high overhead with setup times and R&D. And I don't think many paintball companies are making hand over fist cash.

[SlartyBartFast]

Another cost: The cost of financing.

The item has to sell for the wholesale price plus the cost of the interest. Longer it takes to sell the more the financing cost is.

Even if a store buys with cash, you have to make more on your invested money than you would by investing the money elsewhere.

For an item to be profitable, the unit production cost is sometimes completely meaningless.

[luke]

Yea and Tom Kaye just retired with a boat lot of money.

You may be surprised what it takes to get a product from R & D, threw production and to your door step.

[luke]

PLEASE correct me if I'm wrong. (The quote is here somewhere but I don't want to search for it)

I think I remember Tom saying he would need $1,000,000 just to develop a completely new gun...

[GT]

Yea and Tom Kaye just retired with a boat lot of money.

You may be surprised what it takes to get a product from R & D, threw production and to your door step.

There are more than a few pb guys that drive fairly nice cars. Not saying that paintball got them thier but lets pretend that paintball is not a profitible buisness.

I think I remember Tom saying he would need $1,000,000 just to develop a completely new gun...

maybe for him, but every year i see a new spyder, timmy, dm4, angel, etc... I could see a mill quick on a completly new desgin, but is there a need?

i guess u can say im kinda hooked up in the bmx world and a bike that would of cost someone 2,000 dollars cost me about 1,000. a frame that came to 350 i payed 150, while the company still made their profit.

Keep in mind that some people wont spend their money on a product UNLESS its expensive. People feel the need to distince themselves from regular people in hopes of elevating to true enthusiasts. Would tourny guys still buy a timmy if it was 50 bucks and every noob on the street had one? Why do you think BL comes out with a new timmy or two every year? Not only does he make money but the consumer also feels that they are more elite with the "newest" gear, even though its the same dam thing they made last year with a different mill/color.

[Muzikman]

maybe for him, but every year i see a new spyder, timmy, dm4, angel, etc... I could see a mill quick on a completly new desgin, but is there a need?

The actual quote was "If you had the chance to save paintball, but it cost you $1,000,000 would you do it." (or something real close to that.

As for new spyders, timmies, Matrix, Angels, etc... they are not "New Guns" they are re milled guns with some changes.

A good example of a "New" gun that kept the same name is the Shocker. The new Shocker is totoally different than the old, and not just in the milling aspect. How much money and how long do you think it took SP to get that gun from thought to a person's hands.

[-=Squid=-]

Posting before this becomes a crapfest.

Most people don't consider the scope of a business when they consider the cost of a marker.
Just a short list off the top of my head....

Raw materials
Design time (engineers, draftsman, programmers)
Manufacturing time and resources (both human and machine)
Wear and tear on the machine
Outsourcing costs
Utilities
Lease costs for the manufacturing facility
Advertising

The list goes on and on. Most of these things are things that people don't consider.

Exactly. Most people consider only what the materials cost, and nothing more. By the way, you look like my dads bass player.

- Goro

[luke]

[QUOTE=Ninhydrin]

There are more than a few pb guys that drive fairly nice cars. Not saying that paintball got them thier but lets pretend that paintball is not a profitible buisness.

The things people own aren't necessarily and indication of what their worth. Most people generally live beyond their means. In my opinion, if you can't pay cash for it you can't afford it. Owning a nice car doesn't mean your raking in the big bucks. Anyone with a job can drive a nice car these days.

maybe for him, but every year i see a new spyder, timmy, dm4, angel, etc... I could see a mill quick on a completly new desgin, but is there a need?

Your not seeing a brand new gun from the ground up either. Putting a fancy new milling job on a gun doesn't mean it was researched and designed from the ground up. Those costs are negligible in comparison to developing a brand new gun.

Keep in mind that some people wont spend their money on a product UNLESS its expensive. People feel the need to distince themselves from regular people in hopes of elevating to true enthusiasts. Would tourny guys still buy a timmy if it was 50 bucks and every noob on the street had one? Why do you think BL comes out with a new timmy or two every year? Not only does he make money but the consumer also feels that they are more elite with the "newest" gear, even though its the same dam thing they made last year with a different mill/color.

Not true for all. Personally I send my money on the performance level I want. If I can't justify sending a lot of money for something I want, I skip it. That's why I've been loyal to AGD for the past 10 years, you have top performance at a great price.

Sell me a Timmy for $50 and I'll shoot it, because it's performance level is worth $50 to me.

Just my 2 cents, I don't want to fight.

[GT]

Not true for all. Personally I send my money on the performance level I want. If I can't justify sending a lot of money for something I want, I skip it. That's why I've been loyal to AGD for the past 10 years, you have top performance at a great price.

Sell me a Timmy for $50 and I'll shoot it, because it's performance level is worth $50 to me.

Just my 2 cents, I don't want to fight.

Totally agree,
but you and I are both members of the AO kult and are pretty atypical of the pb community. Poke around on pbn and look at the flame fest that takes place bewteen timmy owners on which timmy is the "best." I had a fellow PBN member im me about loosing money on his empire so he could buy a dark.

99% of people blow money on bling, I even did it, and at the end of the day they will relize that whatever gun they truly like is the one they should stick with, because in reality, they arnt all that different. Paintball is full of slim shady wannbes and chrony queens....