34+bps off Rogue's Exile RT Pro

[RRfireblade]

Vid or ban!

The "open dwell time" isnt just when the breech is fully open, its that the ball begins moving after the bolt is half way retracted. Think 'bout it. The spyder bolt doesn't dwell in that open position with no sear, unless maybe you plugged the striker relief port.

How's that different than the mag when it's free cycling,as in this case?

You can debate your 'speculation' of what you think happens all you want.

I build these things for a living, so I think I have a pretty good idea of what it takes.I only wish I had the time to make a video everytime I work on something poeple would think is "cool" but alas, there's just not enough hours in the day. :)

For the record, I also agree with some of the other posters in this thread that find it interesting that ANY other marker posted doing a high ROF get's torn to pieces for everything from legality to practicality but if it's a Mag,regardless of how it's being cycled, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The fact that's it's Mechanical, IMO, is FAR less impressive as there's nothing special going on there at all.It's nothing more than the bolt bouncing off a spring. It's completely passive in that condidtion.Is that impressive? A technical marval? I guess if 'you' think so, but personally I don't. The RT reg bypasses the 'reg' under those conditions anyway so there's not even anything special there.

I find it much more impressive on an electronic marker, that has to enact a specific and precise set of functions in order to reach that ROF.It has to read and output a full set of instructions and have those instructions carried out by each device in the marker.Each of those devices,soleniod/s,ram/s etc, are being actively controlled in order for the marker to complete a cycle any ROF as well as something rediculous like 30+BPS or CPS.Nothing passive going on there,all active control.(besides the return of the spool in the 'niod.)

So with all due respect to Zack,he is a great guy, it's cool...but...what else ya got?

[coolcatpete]

hmm...anybody want to develop a 68/4500 with 2000-3000 psi ouptut?

mech mags...take over nxl....take this cheater boards

This made me laugh b/c Mr. Kaye said if he made a dream marker or his ideal marker and tank combo it would be a super small mag that ran on 2k. Then everyone told him it might work but it would be a bad idea. Now what everyone Tom will always come out on top.
pete

[warbeak2099]

You asked if it was someone elses shrink wrap, my answer is no. Its the shrink wrap I offer on RPG markers.

Ah gotchya.

And yea an HPA tank capable of ~2000psi would be uber.

[Koosh]

So with all due respect to Zack,he is a great guy, it's cool...but...what else ya got?

Proof?

Heheh, I keed, I keed... I read your whole post and I know what your saying...

[Steelrat]

Hell, steel can't touch a Mag without it exploding! Point being, AO members are not all like the loudmouths.

Dude, I so totally touched this one, AND IT DIDN"T BREAK!

[LittlePaintballBoy]

Actually, I hear Rogue's nifty little jewels fell off.

[Steelrat]

Actually, I hear Rogue's nifty little jewels fell off.

Yeah, well normally, the jewel would have been the only thing left intact.

[LittlePaintballBoy]

Yeah, well normally, the jewel would have been the only thing left intact.

True... maybe it was just pumaman using his invisile hopping abilities.

[Lurker27]

Fireblade...It's not different, that's my point. But its MUCH more efficient, if a spyder cycles 50bps, to electronically govern the open bolt time, with eyes, rather than add recipracting mass and softening springs and fussing around to decrease the inherent cyclic speed.

Could you load paint at 30bps with a fast enough loader? Buuuut...the amount of time that the loader cannot be loading paint seriously puts a damper on things, to the point where you need a 50bps type loader to feed a system at 30bps (because in slowing the bolt, you increase the amount of time the breech is blocked).

Also, I don't believe that mag runaway is precisely the same as a sear release on a spyder. the trigger is still being pulled and actuating the system...Z-man has some videos of him varying the speed of runaway.

If I ever try to make a fast mag, it'll be a cheap spydermag with a T-board and eyes. I'll turn DB to one and hook up a dirty autoresponse switch to it...and get flamed.

Also, TK's conjecture about high input tanks was that inlines could be eliminated by electronic valves that shutoff as soon as the desired pressure was reached, instead of the current bouncing pistons.

[RRfireblade]

Fireblade...It's not different, that's my point. But its MUCH more efficient, if a spyder cycles 50bps, to electronically govern the open bolt time, with eyes, rather than add recipracting mass and softening springs and fussing around to decrease the inherent cyclic speed.

That may be,but really has nothing to do with our discusion.


Could you load paint at 30bps with a fast enough loader? Buuuut...the amount of time that the loader cannot be loading paint seriously puts a damper on things, to the point where you need a 50bps type loader to feed a system at 30bps (because in slowing the bolt, you increase the amount of time the breech is blocked).

Still not an issue for this discussion.The Mag is doing just fine (kinda) at 30+ free cycling

Also, I don't believe that mag runaway is precisely the same as a sear release on a spyder. the trigger is still being pulled and actuating the system...Z-man has some videos of him varying the speed of runaway.

At 34, it's free cycling. there's no positive sear engagement

Jay.

[Carbon Blue]

awesome! just wondering whats the input pressure in the mag?

[matt-o]

Hummmm...... mechanical gun....no electronics...... NXL allows you to shoot any speed you want with a mech gun...........

AGD

but it has to be legal semi im assuming
otherwise i bet someone would do it

[O_o]

Yet another great video by Zak :)

Hmm. . . now you need a video with a view of the ball stream, or else the kiddies on PBN will say "shenanigans" since you can't see the balls.

[SCpoloRicker]

re: Steelrat can't touch a mag without it breaking.

Dude, I so totally touched this one, AND IT DIDN"T BREAK!

True, but what happened when yout touched my Angel immediately afterwards??

That's right, paint blender. 1st and only time its chopped so bad as to stick the bolt.

back to topic: I wonder how that other pneu mech marker (Super 68?? forgot) is coming along. Last I saw it was in proto, rough body, but it looked like a walkable, fast mech gun. I wonder how a 15bps cap would be enforced?

[mark_1791]

but it has to be legal semi im assuming
otherwise i bet someone would do it

Well, not necessarily. I mean, NXL is letting electros use ramping, why not let mechs use RT? Then, since the mag would outshoot all those electros, mechs would dominate again! (specifically mags!)