ASTM facts?

[p8ntball72]

where would I find test data on goggles?

The reason im asking is that my Local renagade group has decided to start shooting hot.
I have sat out 3 weeks in a row because these players refuse to chrono their guns below 300.
The usual responce i get is "if you cant handle the pain dont play" or "we shoot hot because we are shooting further"
This new group of "K-mart killers" are ruining local paintball.

How could I change these players? and why would adults {35 and over} have the idea that shooting hot is OK?

[teufelhunden]

Why don't you go to an actual field and play..

[Lohman446]

where would I find test data on goggles?

The reason im asking is that my Local renagade group has decided to start shooting hot.
I have sat out 3 weeks in a row because these players refuse to chrono their guns below 300.
The usual responce i get is "if you cant handle the pain dont play" or "we shoot hot because we are shooting further"
This new group of "K-mart killers" are ruining local paintball.

How could I change these players? and why would adults {35 and over} have the idea that shooting hot is OK?

I dont know physics well but I think you will find much over 300 causes issues with Votex shedding.. I know my marker seems more accurate around 260 then 290. They should also experience more breaks.. assuming you gear is rated to what they aer at you can change there minds by wiping them out maybe ok.. your course of not playing may be best

[p8ntball72]

Why don't you go to an actual field and play..

I do... 8 times a year with my scenario team.
but for rec play the closest "real field" is 3 hours away

[p8ntball72]

I dont know physics well but I think you will find much over 300 causes issues with Votex shedding.. I know my marker seems more accurate around 260 then 290. They should also experience more breaks.. assuming you gear is rated to what they aer at you can change there minds by wiping them out maybe ok.. your course of not playing may be best

K-mart paint shells seem thicker than other paint, so not to many breaks.
i got hit with a ball at 340 a few months back and the welt is still not gone.

[68magOwner]

where would I find test data on goggles?

if you do find it, you will find out that lenses can take a hit at 400fps from a metal ball, much less a paintball, your not gonna break a lens with a paintball, even frozen ones i would highly doubt could break a lens, mabey another part of the mask, but, lenses are alot tougher than people make them out to be, shooting hot can do damage to your body (espicially close range shots to the hand (can break small bones, even at legal speeds) or neck)

[p8ntball72]

if you do find it, you will find out that lenses can take a hit at 400fps from a metal ball, much less a paintball, your not gonna break a lens with a paintball, even frozen ones i would highly doubt could break a lens, mabey another part of the mask, but, lenses are alot tougher than people make them out to be, shooting hot can do damage to your body (espicially close range shots to the hand (can break small bones, even at legal speeds) or neck)

Mass diver had these up a few days ago..





I am assuming he was playing at safe speeds...what do you think would have happend if the guns were at 320/340 fps

Also if you read the box that most goggles come in they say to "replace the lens after ONE inpact" why is this?

[Caffiend]

I can't search ASTM's website right now, maybe Bill Mills or Tyger can help you out. All I've found is this so far. Link

[p8ntball72]

well im no ASTM tester...but i did have an extra pair of brass eagle goggles that were loaners.

TEST SPECS...

AUTOMAG CHRONO AT 327/330/331 WITH HANDHELD
7 ROUNDS GAP PAINT {FRESH}
2 YEAR OLD K-MART MASK WITH BRAND NEW LENS
7 SHOTS TO THE MASK AT 15 FEET AWAY 10 SEC BETWEEN SHOOTS



as you can see not only did i knock the lens out of the frame...i also broke the lens,and the mask is no longer safe or useable.

is this *PROOF* that shooting hot is not safe?

[p8ntball72]

Matt... I know your reading this. bet your glad you didnt wear this mask..lol

[68magOwner]

Mass diver had these up a few days ago..





I am assuming he was playing at safe speeds...what do you think would have happend if the guns were at 320/340 fps

Also if you read the box that most goggles come in they say to "replace the lens after ONE inpact" why is this?

his lens cam unseated, it didnt break, and they advise the lens be changed, just as a precaution, how many people do you know who actually cnange their lenses after every gogg? and how many of them are missing eyes?

[68magOwner]

well im no ASTM tester...but i did have an extra pair of brass eagle goggles that were loaners.

TEST SPECS...

AUTOMAG CHRONO AT 327/330/331 WITH HANDHELD
7 ROUNDS GAP PAINT {FRESH}
2 YEAR OLD K-MART MASK WITH BRAND NEW LENS
7 SHOOTS TO THE MASK AT 15 FEET AWAY 10 SEC BETWEEN SHOOTS



as you can see not only did i knock the lens out of the frame...i also broke the lens,and the mask is no longer safe or useable.

is this *PROOF* that shooting hot is not safe?

now that is scarry, few questions, how old was the mask? what were weather conditions like? where has the mask been stored? any exposure to extreme heat or sun for extended periods of time? never seen anything like that, go figure it was a BE mask, i emptied a hopper onto a JT mask what was already cracked (crack straight down the center) to see if it would break, and it didnt (can take to field and see if anyone has a hopper to spare on it this weekend)

edit- you should have hit it with legal speed to see if it broke, then at the higher fps

[p8ntball72]

I know..we have been lucky

the point is.. paint can get past the lens and impact your face and the effects are worse when the shot is hot.
agreed?

now how can I explain this to local players that dont think its "that big of deal"?

[xXHavokXx]

I know..we have been lucky

the point is.. paint can get past the lens and impact your face and the effects are worse when the shot is hot.
agreed?

now how can I explain this to local players that dont think its "that big of deal"?

I wouldn't play with them.

[p8ntball72]

now that is scarry, few questions, how old was the mask? what were weather conditions like? where has the mask been stored? any exposure to extreme heat or sun for extended periods of time? never seen anything like that, go figure it was a BE mask, i emptied a hopper onto a JT mask what was already cracked (crack straight down the center) to see if it would break, and it didnt (can take to field and see if anyone has a hopper to spare on it this weekend)

edit- you should have hit it with legal speed to see if it broke, then at the higher fps

The mask is about 2 years old {I use it when i ref} it was kept in a goggle bag in my air conditiond hobby room. I loaned it out this last weekend so i guess it has normal wear and tear.
I think it was about 6 oclock arizona time {12/27/04}and about 50* outside
I put a new lens in it for the test.

I have another loaner mask that was bought at the same time {2 years ago}
that i will shoot at under 300 if you like.