Mad as.....heck.....

[Scott Hudnall]

if you follow that pic link above, you'll see that was done on a black dragon frame with a spyder board/solenoid.

Seems like a fairly easy solution to those who want to keep their mags and have e-grips.

and mine's not a blender....even without LX. Easy solution to that = foamy bolt, plastic nubbin, quality paint, good/fast/reliable loader.

[thorn]

i think that if agd dies we can all point to ptp and dw for killing it. i am convinced that the ONLY thing that can save agd and automags is a good trigger, so they CAN be fast, and reliable, and have no chops. if cockers didnt have eframe conversions...they too would be like mags are now. if planet eclipse were to make an eblade for the automag, im sure automags would show up more.

but to compete with todays market of lets say around a thousand bucks:

rt ule custom= 320
dw body= 250
devilframe= 500


now who is going to buy a 1050 dollar mag when they can get used alias' for that price? they can also get proto matrixes, freestyles, and some intimidators.

seriously though, they do need a new frame so the mag can be made fast WITHOUT SPENDING HALF A GRAND or else agd will slowly die.

[teufelhunden]

You can do without the body, but I understand where your coming from. For $700 you can have a 1-2-3-auto if your series allows it or something with a Speedy chip.. well, maybe for a bit more than 700, but you know where I'm coming from.

[Mr. Mouse]

can someone just come out with some kind of frame to make it faster , i understand the spyder mod and everything but nto everyone has the tools to do it, im sure everyones angry that the hAir fell through beacuase of a patent and now ptp is gonna take tehre sweet time making something thats gonna be crap anyway

[teufelhunden]

The hAir fell through because DW didn't look into the situation before releasing a hype video. I'm sure that if PTP does release a 'Mag version, it'll work very well and do what you need it to.

In the meantime, buy a devilmag frame or get E-Mag lowers.

[Gabriel]

give us a $50 electro frame like the espirit and well shut it

you dont want the espirit. I believe it's made out of plastic.

[phantomhitman]

e spyder are indeed crap. in the last 2 months alone I have persobally had to stop 4 people from playing at my field. the front frame screw strips out, or simply backs out, and is lost. the makes the gun go full auto because there is NOTHING holding it together. i have seen at least 10 spyders do this in the last year.
then you have the horrible chopping issues. without spendning the money on the tboard the gun is slow-very very slow. the microswitch is rediculously heavy. i have seen 2 of the noids go out as well.
no gun is perfect. no single gun everyone will like. but no one will ever make a cheap-fast-reliable-high quality gun. people get a grip, and save some pennies. sonner or later you will ave enough money to buy a emag or devilmag.

[GT]

That mod is very expensive though. And its not just a drop in product like Hypers...

So let me get this straight. You want an e frame for a mag but you dont want to pay "too much" for it. with mags being so long volume I would be thankful that we have any parts for our guns. How much are eblade frames? Like 350-400 new?

[Glickman]

e spyder are indeed crap. in the last 2 months alone I have persobally had to stop 4 people from playing at my field. the front frame screw strips out, or simply backs out, and is lost. the makes the gun go full auto because there is NOTHING holding it together. i have seen at least 10 spyders do this in the last year.
then you have the horrible chopping issues. without spendning the money on the tboard the gun is slow-very very slow. the microswitch is rediculously heavy. i have seen 2 of the noids go out as well.
no gun is perfect. no single gun everyone will like. but no one will ever make a cheap-fast-reliable-high quality gun. people get a grip, and save some pennies. sonner or later you will ave enough money to buy a emag or devilmag.

are you talking about the front screw that connects the trigger frame to the body? your saying that right now, if i removed that, itll make my spyder go full auto?

nope, not full auto.

not everyone wants to dish out $500+ dollars for a paintball gun.

and for the 500 it costs to get the frame. as someone said above. you could save up a little more and get a led or lcd matrix.






"So let me get this straight. You want an e frame for a mag but you dont want to pay "too much" for it. with mags being so long volume I would be thankful that we have any parts for our guns. How much are eblade frames? Like 350-400 new?"

220 for the e1 frame. i think thats still a big ripoff for a frame that should cost like 80-90

[GT]

220 for the e1 frame. i think thats still a big ripoff for a frame that should cost like 80-90

220 new? How many cockers are there compared to mags? High volume = lower price.

[Glickman]

220 new? How many cockers are there compared to mags? High volume = lower price.

im saying that the eblade frame is a ripoff...

[Enemy]

ok im going to do a run down on ga devils frame costs so much because of the parts he uses he has a pred 2 board in their and tag has programs to run just about any mode you can dream up.. all and all its the best deal your going to find way better than the hyper frame ever was!!!and have you priced a race or eblade lately they arent cheap bye a long shot neither is any other grip for any of the high end guns!

[lather]

Not to sound harsh but if you really wanted an electro or electro-like bps, then why buy a Mag?

Maybe its just me but I didnt get a Mag and expect to paint the world flourescent colors. I wanted something durable, reliable and work with a minumum of fuss.

I suggest that its best to either appreciate the Mag's strong points or just get an electro if bps is such an overwhelming concern.


There are plenty of folks willing to part with their impy or bko for a ule mag in the B/S/T forum.

[Gabriel]

without spendning the money on the tboard the gun is slow-very very slow. the microswitch is rediculously heavy. i have seen 2 of the noids go out as well.
.

the board mod cost $100 i believe, so buy an imagine plus the board and you'll still be well below the base price for a mag, and still with better efficiency and equal accuracy. Slap a reg on there and youve got a winner. Also never seen a noid just "go out" for no reason.

Oh yeah, a 50g microswitch costs $5

[brightman]

Not to sound harsh but if you really wanted an electro or electro-like bps, then why buy a Mag?

Maybe its just me but I didnt get a Mag and expect to paint the world flourescent colors. I wanted something durable, reliable and work with a minumum of fuss.

Most of us bought mags because they are durable and reliable but what if you can have that plus speed. Would I pay over a grand for a mag that has the features of the devilmag, yea, once its proven and i know im not buying another hyperframe. Iv seen timmy's going for 1600 and the new shockers are going for what 800-1000. You put a good electro frame on the mag and you have a marker that can outshoot and outperform yet look almost similar to shockers only slimer.