PBX E-Frame for Mag Valve

[tyrion2323]

PBX,

Keep us in the loop as much as possible, if you please. I call first in line for one of these!

I was going to buy a shocker, but I'd rather get an mQ.

[PBX Ronin 23]

You will be kept abreast of all information available for public consumption. Would kinda like to photograph this valve for the marketing purposes with some of the currently available hot bodies and rails.

Any suggestions?

[Gunga]

You will be kept abreast of all information available for public consumption. Would kinda like to photograph this valve for the marketing purposes with some of the currently available hot bodies and rails.

Any suggestions?

Uhm...send me one for a mag and I'll take pictures.

[Rift]

mmm i have a nice Dallara it will go good with maybe i can stop at the shop or field some time

[Chronobreak]

You will be kept abreast of all information available for public consumption. Would kinda like to photograph this valve for the marketing purposes with some of the currently available hot bodies and rails.

Any suggestions?

05 karta........ maybe a ule....


something with a nice foregrip like a 15*asa ...NOT THE STOCK bicycle grip

[PBX Ronin 23]

mmm i have a nice Dallara it will go good with maybe i can stop at the shop or field some time

05 karta........

Hear that Nicad?

[spasticsquirrel]

Hear that Nicad?

who else makes really nice custom bodies for the automag at the moment?

[tyrion2323]

What about a full Rogue mag setup? Throw the mQ valve in a sleek gloss black all-rogue setup and you've got a nice proto.

Another suggestion is asking Nicad to draw up a few CAD one-piece body sketches en gratis, and then pick the one that you like. I don't know if he's interested in doing it, but perhaps...

Jacob

[frop]

how about a simplified karta/dallara? DW sells more , which brings down costs for everybody, & mq mags w/ beautiful bodies to boot! Too bad you can't get Heather to make some stellar grips anymore

[tyrion2323]

The only problem with using already-made bodies, such as the Karta, is that the mQ will then look exactly like a 'mag.

People DO NOT want that.

If this thing is going to compete, it needs to be different. It will need a bunch of standard features:

one-piece body w/ integrated air channel as well as full valve coverage
clamping feedneck
LPR
predator II board (etc), vision
Customizable ASA (vert, 15*, inverted)

In order to best prepare this marker for success, we can't look at it from the angle of:
"how can this help my current mag setup?" but instead, "how can we market this to sell like crazy?"

With success, 'mag upgrade kits will come out; however, good luck trying to market and sell an upgraded mag to tournament players.
Something that a lot of people harp on is that tournament players only make up 10% of the total population. Well, I don't really believe that, because a lot of rec players are into tournament style play.

[RetroEclipseMan]

I would love to seea one piece body on a mag but I think that was the main problem with teh x-mag costing so much.The only thing that made the x-mag cost almost $600 more than a regular emag was the body and the ace, and I think I remember a thread a long time ago saying that even if the ace, and modular breech was taken out of the picture and the body was simplified the body would still cost upwards of $450 to produce. Now if you're looking at that much for just teh body, by the time you toss in a valve(unless the mq valve is going to considerably less to produce over the x-valve), and the frame you're still going to be looking at close to a thousand dollar gun. This is all just just a total estimation of prices of course based on the cost of what's already out there.

Like a few others have said I think it might just be best for you guys to totally ditch the "mag" name and go for something completely different so this product doesn't have any connections to the crappy reputation that the mag has had in the past. I mean if it really doesn't function like a mag and only really uses the body of a mag, I'd just say design a new body and then you'd have a completely new gun that would be cutting edge rather than just an updated version of an old design, even if that old design is tried and trusted. I mean i think the majority of the paintball population just wants to always be shooting something new and cool no matter what it is.

[spasticsquirrel]

shouldn't this be on the agg mag forum

im just wondering.

[PBX Ronin 23]

Like a few others have said I think it might just be best for you guys to totally ditch the "mag" name and go for something completely different so this product doesn't have any connections to the crappy reputation that the mag has had in the past. I mean if it really doesn't function like a mag and only really uses the body of a mag, I'd just say design a new body and then you'd have a completely new gun that would be cutting edge rather than just an updated version of an old design, even if that old design is tried and trusted. I mean i think the majority of the paintball population just wants to always be shooting something new and cool no matter what it is.

The valve can be plaformed in many different ways. Whether in an entirely new design or on existing ones. We have always kept our options open.

Can our valve use the "Mag" name? We can't and we won't because it isn't an AGD valve. Can we platform it on AGD spec bodies? Absolutely! Our hope is that we can provide the exisitng Mag users with other after-market options. As an extension, promote the Mag as a viable and extremely upgradeable gun to consider for those new to the sport.

As for this thread, we were considering designing an E-Frame for the Mag valves and we're using the input from you guys to help us decide.

[warbeak2099]

I personally wouldn't even consider it if it was only available in 45* form. I can never go back to a regular 45* lol.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Could you make the frame so it could work with either a mag valve or a PBX valve? If someone initially wanted just the electro frame. But then they decided they want the PBX valve. Could you make it so you dont have to buy a new frame, just a new valve and stuff? It would production costs down and would keep the consumers happy.