what if AGD made a LP valve?

[than205]

I guess we just have a differing opinions of what is in question. Agree to dis-agree?

I'm not trying to be confrontational, just my usual, trying to be thought provoking.
Guess I'm not pulling it off. LOL

Let me put it this way, when your mag stops shooting what's the pressure gauge say on your tank?

Do you have any idea what the chamber pressure is on the mag?
It has to be enough to do double duty. Not only compress the bolt spring, but also have enough to get past the bolt stem and achieve the standard amount of pressure to get the ball up to speed.

[than205]

Ok, I guess I'm looking at this all wrong. Sorry for wasting forum space. Perhaps a better flowing on/off would do the trick?

I don't think the chamber has any trouble refilling quick enough. Particularly, the RT.
Check out the graphs further down on the same thread you referenced. (this is the beauty of the RT)

[11_Mile_TMaster]

Lower pressure would most likely NEGATIVELY effect overall efficency. To get the same velocity you would need a larger dump chamber, and therefore, a slightly larger amount of air would be dumped before the pressure was equalized to the point the return spring would engage to return the bolt. You MIGHT get the same number of shots out of the tank, i.e. you're less efficent but shooting deeper into the tank, but noone knows until it's tried, and it's probably not worth the effort.

The mag's design just doesn't lend itself to lower pressures. Now, if there was a way to more precisely control the bolt open time, i.e. use a 3 way to move the bolt forward/back for a precise amount of time that could help efficency, since you could only hold the bolt forward long enough to get the ball out of the barrel...

[Conversekidz]

the valve already operates at LP.........the only thing we need is better efficiancy.

DING DING DING you hit it right on the head.

We don't need a valve that works at LP we need a valve that is super efficiant.

I think people get the LP/Effeciancy thing confused.

[Enemy]

mags arent super ineffecient its just that they start chuffing at around 1000 psi left in the tank while other markers start having recharge issues are around 600 and lower!! in 400 psi you can get alot of shots off!! thats why people are asking for lp guns so that they work with less pressure required equalling more shots off the tank if all factors are considered equal such as effeciency!!

[MindJob]

This is a pointless discussion with no clear answer.

We live in the age of $2.10/gal gasoline, and everyone drives SUVs that get 15 mpg. (Myself included)

All day air and 15 minute games make the issue of air efficiency irrelevant.

If anyone feels that they cannot last through a game with the air bottle they have, I will sell them a 134cu Paintball Mania tank that I have for a REALLY good price.

[Dayspring]

In some of my discussions with Tom, he's told me that he can make the mag more efficient by reducing the air chamber size. He didn't want to do it because it raises the operating pressure of the gun and "people don't like High Pressure Guns."

The effect of reducing the chamber size would make the operating pressure higher and therefore you couldn't shoot into the tank as deep as you do now. So it's a double edged sword.

[magmonkey]

I think the valve needs re design, however go higher preasure .... make everything smaller lighter, faster opperating, screw a tank regulator full line preasure into the valve and make everythin g 1/4 of the size and make it look nothing like a mag

put it in the hands of a good PRO team and market the hell out if as the newest latest greatest LOW VOLUME valve. have people hype up "low Volume" as the way to go (while both you and I know that low volume means high preasure )


Alan
DC

[Buff]

some of you guys are missing something.
Having a LP valve wont allow you to shoot farther into the tank, sure it might be able to shoot at 400 PSI, but it will take more air per shot, so you will get down to 400 quicker........its not going to make it efficiant.....maby a little.

Its the pressure that hits the paintball that matters........the dump chamber may be at 350-450 PSI......but that gets to travel down the power tube, through the bolt, then hit the paintball. If I remember, Tom said about 80-90PSI hit the paintball.
Anyone think about why Mags are so quiet? there you go.

[Dayspring]

65psi on ball pressure. :)

Its the pressure that hits the paintball that matters........the dump chamber may be at 350-450 PSI......but that gets to travel down the power tube, through the bolt, then hit the paintball. If I remember, Tom said about 80-90PSI hit the paintball.
Anyone think about why Mags are so quiet? there you go.

[than205]

If we're going to follow the arguement that been circulating here forever that no marker will shoot further than another.
And with the usage of Freaks and cocker threaded barrels. (the same barrels that are used on other markers)
Why would there be a more or less (significant) amount of air being used at the ball?
I am not talking about operating (or chamber) pressure. I am talking about what pressure makes it to the ball.

[than205]

65psi on ball pressure. :)

The number that I have seen bounced around has always been 60-90. (for different markers also)
I believe the variance is due to strictly paint/bore match.

[phantomhitman]

i am not knowledgable is this field at all, but i have a question.
why can a viking or my dm5 continue to shoot with around 100 and less psi while other markers cannot? the viking has my vote hands down as the most effecient gun ever made, how do they do that? on a side note, my eblade will not seal properly with around 900psi or less in the tank, is that normal?
also, it is a pain in the butt to go refill your tank when you have around 2k or less air left that way you stay the in the "safe mag zone" of air required to play. that is around every 2-3 games, which does get annoying regardless of having all dair air or not.

[50 cal]

Why does the Automag need better efficiency? You play a game that is only 15 min tops. If you run through a whole tank in such a short game, you need to quit and play something else.
You have 5 on 5 for the most part. If your game is that sad, you need to rethink your strategy.
Playing tournaments I use an 88/45 and have plenty of air left.

[WARPED1]

If AGD made a LP valve, they would sell more mags, because the myth of paintball is lp is better. True or not, it'd sell.