It's official .... 15 bps cap Rules

[Lohman446]

Everyone realizes that a Shocker in rebound mode follows those rules right (at least the ones posted)- or at least will pass the testing. here are there rules, and my reasoning. Other ramping programs follow these as well, the predator board I beleive does. I don't presume to make this a discussion about ramping in and amongst itself, I know there is a split in regards to it, I am just wondering if some of you who are applauding this realize what those rules allow. Edit: ohhh... my Predator board in the DevilMag will make these rules too... remember a judge is only permitted to test per the rules unless otherwise noted I like these rules

a) TEST 1 - Mechanical Bounce - Markers will be tested for mechanical bounce by a bumping or jarring of the marker. Markers will be bumped on the tank or hopper. No contact will be made with the trigger. The marker will be deemed to have mechanical bounce if the marker fires during the bump test.
Ok, this is really just how close the trigger is set - a very straight forward test, and the Shocker should have no problems here when set right

b) TEST 2 - Electronic Bounce - Markers will be tested for electronic bounce by shooting the marker. The marker trigger will be firmly pulled 3 consecutive times. During these 3 pulls, the marker may only fire 3 shots. Any marker that produces more than 3 shots on the 3 pulls will be deemed to have electronic bounce.
Shocker rebound mode is not activated until the fourth shot, no problems here

c) TEST 3 - Rate Of Fire Cap - 15 balls per second will be the legal allowed limit in the CFOA. All markers will be shot over a Pact MKIV Ballistic Timer. Any marker that exceeds the Rate of Fire cap will be deemed illegal and will not be allowed on the field.
The Shocker rebound mode is capped under 15BPS - mine was 13-14 over the chrono.Shocker rebound mode was VERY good at stopping as soon as the trigger pulls were stopped - this makes shot buffering that some markers have illegal though.

e) TEST 5 - Marker Chronographing - All markers will be chronographed prior to going onto the field. The maximum muzzle velocity allowed will be 300 feet per second. Markers will be tested by firing over RADARCHRON paintball chronographs.
Yeh... well pretty self explanatory here

[Vanced]

Still think it's a total sellout in exchange for pursuing a reliable testing method for catching cheaters. It seems pretty unfair to 'limit' the true ability of some to compensate for an inability to catch cheaters.

But oh well.........

Yep... ... And I think I remember seeing another set of rules somewhere.... ASTM or something too....

But oh well...

[Chris at Tech]

Yes, it stinks that those of us who can fire a legal gun faster than 15 bps will be slightly handicapped by this, but we have no one but the cheaters in the paintball community to thank.

Hopefully technology for cheat catching will continue to advance and we can get rid of the problem all together, but with all the ways electronic guns can be set to cheat, I think this is the fairest rule at this point in time.

[SlartyBartFast]

Copout, perhaps...seriously, a good pass/fail bounce/ramp catcher could be sold profitably for $30.

So why is the leagues haven't made one yet?



Even if possible I think that it would be a sight more than 30$

Seeing as you need some kind of robot trigger pulling machine and a highend chronograph and ballistics timer, you're easily into hundreds of dollars.

And then, that multi-hundred dollar machine can be beat with a few dollars of inexpensive tech (or nontech) or programming.

The bps limit however does have a chance of being enforceable.

Is it a cop-out? Sure. But if you're going to allow everyone to use electros and bring their own markers there's no way to feasibly enforce any other ROF rules.

[PissedGodzilla]

I have a question, if I have a gun that can shoot over 15 bps, (karnivor, timmy, dm5) how do i control it, or are they now illegal?

[master_alexander]

ok so now i don't have a need for that new dm5, might as well throw it out.

i wish i was that rich. i unfortunatley am not. so now we will probably see more semi autos in the tourneys, here comes back the mags and cockers, i knew the 19's were coming back. LOL!

[Chris at Tech]

Hmmm...I thought I heard a while back that using a sub 15bps loader would be sufficient, but re-reading the rules, it loks like it's actually checking gun cycles, and not just paintballs fired.

My guess is that gun manufacturers and aftermarket code guys will have CFOA legal version of code shortly. Now, if these manufacturers charge an arm and a leg for it, that's another story

[Dayspring]

More often than not, the firmware can be upgraded to limit the ROF.

[Lohman446]

so now we will probably see more semi autos in the tourneys,

The scarey part is, now that the rules are enforceable people are worried about seeing more semi-autos. Or did you mean mechanicals?

[Lohman446]

For those of us who don't know what the CFOA is (me)... umm California?? no clue little help

[RRfireblade]

Carolina Field Owners Asscoiation.

And software capping 'most' E markers is fairy simple,DM4/5 for instance can be done with a drop in chip.Other than that you can play with an uncapped semi marker just don't pull that fast. You only need the cap if your going with Ramping or modified auto software, most of which do include a method for capping ROF in that mode.

[cris8762]

the cfoa put these rules into effect to prevent the massive ramp and overshooting that was occurring last season

BUT, i shot a Proto trix with the new musashi3 programming that is CFOA legal (ramps up to 15 bps after 3rd shot and stops when you dont pull trigger for 1s) and it FREAKIN RIPPED. It was so easy to get shooting fast and was very fast.

There are going to be so many people getting tore the f' up next season, it's gonna be great. I've already ordered my Musashi 3 chip for my dm4.

BTW, i think the CFOA has gotten those radar guns they use in the NXL to make sure you're not shooting over 15.

Whoever said it was 17 bps, you're dumb....learn to read please

[Lohman446]

the cfoa put these rules into effect to prevent the massive ramp and overshooting that was occurring last season

BUT, i shot a Proto trix with the new musashi3 programming that is CFOA legal (ramps up to 15 bps after 3rd shot and stops when you dont pull trigger for 1s) and it FREAKIN RIPPED. It was so easy to get shooting fast and was very fast.

There are going to be so many people getting tore the f' up next season, it's gonna be great. I've already ordered my Musashi 3 chip for my dm4.

BTW, i think the CFOA has gotten those radar guns they use in the NXL to make sure you're not shooting over 15.

Whoever said it was 17 bps, you're dumb....learn to read please

Here is why - we have heard how everyone can shoot 20 balls a second because they are so good, and they outran this egg/HALO one time and and...

and 99% of the people claiming to shoot 15+BPS were not. So we have been given this false sense that 15BPS is slow, when in reality it is faster than most people could shoot, especially sustained for more than 2 seconds. You hear that this is 20BPS when its 14BPS you get a false idea of what 15BPS really is. People can't beleive how fast a rebound Shocker is around here.. and then when you tell them thats 15BPS there like... no way, I can shoot faster than that... No.. you just have no clue what 15BPS really is

Generalizations I know, but anyone going to tell me I'm wrong in the majority of cases?

[cris8762]

i wasnt trying to say that "OMG 15 BPS IS BLAZING" i was just trying to state that the new rules allowed for major ramping and consistent shooting that will get ppl mowed

[Lohman446]

i wasnt trying to say that "OMG 15 BPS IS BLAZING" i was just trying to state that the new rules allowed for major ramping and consistent shooting that will get ppl mowed

I understand that, what few people realize, what they have been told is 20BPS and learned to ID by ear, is the majority of the time much closer to 15BPS. 15BPS IS blazing fast... and we have heard so much hype around people who claim to be shooting faster (some do) that we have an artifical beleift that 15BPS is NOT fast - 15BPS is very fast, especially sustained for more than a second or two which ramping allows.