AGD future upgrades

[White Wolf]

Virem the answer to that question is Volume. ICD sell more bushmasters in a week then AGD sells mags in a year. The numbers go up even further when your talkign about timmys, angels and Eblades.

To get a mag frame at a non reaming price you need to get into 1000+ quantities and to do that it would mean that you would need huge adoption rates that just won't happen. To make the Cocker frames worthwhile you can get by with a very low percentage since there are so many of the damn things.

[Virem]

What about a cheaper board in them? I dont see the point in a 350 dollar board with unlimited rate of fire, 3 diffrent types of eyes, 345376 programable firing modes, blinking lights, and a garage door opener. What about something that has semi auto and shoots 15 bps... not something bad, just cheaper.. people would buy that

[White Wolf]

again the problem is volume... but boards on the manufacturing level are probly the cheapest part of the design. So going from a board that cost $6 to make to one that costs $5.79 is not gonna make much difference.

[Virem]

So how does a 130 dollar rogue frame (which is what they start as now) get to a 450 dollar devilmag frame? I just dont get whats costing so much.

[shatter_storm]

And you have to think about R&D. A company can't just blow a twenty thousand dollars on doing up a design and then turn around and sell their product for $100.

CNC time is expensive, tooling for a line-fabbed part is expensive, making a board is expensive, hiring (or paying salary) for an engineer to work out the details is expensive.

The only way we're going to get cheap electronic frames is if some enterprising individual buys a bunch of spyder sear-tripper gripframes and modifies them to work on a 'mag. Even then, the markup applied won't make anyone rich and the frame won't take off in the "market" because there's no easy way to implement the stuff electro frames need - like eyes and board upgrades.
Eyes require millwork and routing the wires, board upgrades require another board... even the t-board costs money.

Figure ESP frames at $80 apiece, T-boards at $50 (you work out a dealer price or bulk buy). Labor at $50/hr. Say it takes half an hour to mod a frame to fit a mag - including modding the body so that the breakbeam eyes will fit.
Without making any profit on the parts and just charging labor, you're looking at a $155 e-grip for a 'mag - that's without making a darn thing, just using bolt-on parts. No sane human will put all that together for that cheap, so say $200 and he turns a little bit of a profit, assuming he already owns the machines he's using. He'll sell at best 200 of the frames, spend 100 hours working on them, and turn a $9000 profit.

Any AO machinists want to start offering this service?

[shatter_storm]

So how does a 130 dollar rogue frame (which is what they start as now) get to a 450 dollar devilmag frame? I just dont get whats costing so much.

A 130 dollar rogue frame plus a 160 dollar (retail) predator morlock plus a 50 dollar solenoid plus mounting brackets and whatever mumbo jumbo he's using to get the solenoid and sear to play along means Devil's only making $110 or less off each frame. Time counts, you know.

[Virem]

I am not saying the devilmag frame isnt worth 450 dollars, or that its easy to do, or that its not time consuming, or i could do it (which i couldnt) I'm just saying that if everyone wants electronic markers, and electronic mags are going to cost 900 dollars, they arnt going to sell.

[Virem]

A 130 dollar rogue frame plus a 160 dollar (retail) predator morlock plus a 50 dollar solenoid plus mounting brackets and whatever mumbo jumbo he's using to get the solenoid and sear to play along means Devil's only making $110 or less off each frame. Time counts, you know.

And thats why i sugjested using a cheaper board.

[White Wolf]

and thus the fact that AGD discontinued all there electro's.

[Virem]

OK so, because AGD doesnt sell a lot of guns, they cant have cheap electros. But because AGD doesnt have cheap electros, they dont sell a lot of guns. Whats the solution?

[White Wolf]

advertising, marketing, hype, lying, paying cheaters to use your products.........

[MindJob]

advertising, marketing, hype, lying, paying cheaters to use your products.........

You hit the nail right on the head.

I think a creative aproach to marketing is what is needed here. It also wouldnt hurt to have something new to sell.

[Virem]

I think its low end guns.... an automag, stock with lvl 10 of coarse, a one piece body/rail/vert asa design and some sort of matching aluminum trigger frame, for less then 200 dollars. If the young people like how they look and its an alternative to a spyder it would sell.

[tyrion2323]

So what do you guys think are we ever going to see anymore innovations/future upgrades from AGD? or is everything new thats automag related going to be made 2nd hand?

Don't hold your breath for AGD. They can't seem to get a clue.

Look to Rogue and Logic.

advertising, marketing, hype, lying, paying cheaters to use your products.........

Pfaw. I thought this was a no whining zone.

AGD messed themselves up for too many reasons to type.

[Scott Hudnall]

I would like to hear from someone in PTP to hear what it would cost them to put together an e-frame "kit", and what it might retail for.