Preset Vs. Adjustable

[Mav D MagMan]

The battle rages on...

Well I've spent the better part of the last two weeks searching/researching and giving sellers false hopes that I'll buy their tanks up until I found a negative opinion of them etc. (Yes I've even watched the video of two different tanks at different operating pressures etc.)

Now, I'll ask some tech heads who hopefully have some experience with the products to give me some insight.

I am looking to slap a new tank on my "new" E-Mag, my ACI Bulldog II is not letting the sucker breathe well enough and I think it's time to move on. Now the argument tends to sway between:

1. You *need* an adjustable to give you the flowrate and output pressure necessary to feed your X-Valve.
2. If you don't mind loosing the adjustability for your trigger, a preset screw in will give you the air you need to play.

The foremost preset has got to be the Crossfire, many claim it can keep up well enough, but I'm fairly sure I outshot an egg the other day (it was tuned to maybe 16 bps? running a Worgass Stuby, which I would like to avoid owning), so this E-mag is definitely at the higher ends of the ROF... can any preset match this?

FYI My funds are limited (one reason I haven't just broke down and picked up an adjustable)

Thanks for hearing me out, I look forward to hearing some good opinions/info.

Mav

[phantomhitman]

preset is good to slap on and play. my crossfire hp preset keeps up fine with emags, as well as dm5s and ebladed cockers, without straving it or having dropoff. However, to get that reactive bounce that everyone like to play around with you need to go around or above 1000 psi. That is where the adjustable tanks come in. It is also nice to have the adjustibility in case you get another gun or someone else needs to use the tank. I am not going to link to my for sale page, but I have a 68-3 adjustable agd flatline for sale as well as a 68-3 crossfire screw for sale. PM me if interested.
/shameless plug

[deadbox101]

i would try either of the MacDev tanks The legionair(preset) comes in a 850 psi version or if u had the extra cash the conquest would be a nice option check it out at www.macdev.net

[Jack & Coke]

IMO,

You only *need* and adjustable is you're using a mech mag and want a lot of *reaction* feel in your trigger.

In all other cases, a preset is fine.

You will not notice any performance gain or feeling in the trigger between an adjustable and preset if you're using an emag.

"conquest would be a nice option check it out at www.macdev.net"

...conquests are not recommended for mags. Last time I spoke with macdev techs (last year), their conquest output is only 600-650 psi. x-valves *crave* 800-1,000.

[Z-man]

i would try either of the MacDev tanks The legionnaire(preset) comes in a 850 psi version or if u had the extra cash the conquest would be a nice option check it out at www.macdev.net

You will not notice any performance gain or feeling in the trigger between an adjustable and preset if you're using an emag.

I stand behind what I said. It's one of those thigns that if you you can feel and it does make a difference.

[Jack & Coke]

It really is NIGHT and day. Especially with the E-Mag series markers you will notice a big difference in both hybrid mode (yes you would expect that) AND E mode.

yes... for hybrid, but e mode? I didn't notice any performance difference between my Dynaflo and crossfire while in e-mode...

[White_Noise]

i have noticed a difference with emode on my mag. (only run in E now cause i pulled the trigger rod out) ikeep my dynaflow at about 1000psi. this makes the marker have more reactivty, allowing the solenoid to fire quicker i believe. plus you get better consistancy, as there is no chance the valve will be starved.

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I have an RT Pro/X valve... and even with the ULT an adjustable makes a pretty big difference. I think Air america still has Apocalypse setups on sale, for whatever it's worth. You may want to check their website.

[Jack & Coke]

...i keep my dynaflow at about 1000psi. this makes the marker have more reactivty, allowing the solenoid to fire quicker...

Funny... when I look in my emag, my noid is powered by a big ol' battery, not my air source. Maybe I got gipped!

[Z-man]

yes... for hybrid, but e mode? I didn't notice any performance difference between my Dynaflo and Centerflag while in e-mode...

Between what and what? You mean a CenterFlag Preset and a CenterFlag DynaFlow? But yes I do assert that its a noticable differnce between a prestet like a Crossfire tank and an adjustable like a DynaFlow. It's a... cripser cleaner feel especially at the higher ROFs (and not even insanse speeds but 13-14bps you can tell.)

EDIT: you fixed your post ignore that top question

[deadbox101]

ah sorry i was under the impression the conquest to have outputs of 1000 and over, my fault. Got any idea when the 4ce is comin out i saw info on it awhile ago but never saw any realease dates.

[Jack & Coke]

*feeling* vs. *performance*

Between what and what? You mean a CenterFlag Preset and a CenterFlag DynaFlow? But yes I do assert that its a noticable differnce between a prestet like a Crossfire tank and an adjustable like a DynaFlow. It's a... cripser cleaner feel especially at the higher ROFs (and not even insanse speeds but 13-14bps you can tell.)

EDIT: you fixed your post ignore that top question

yeah.. i mistyped.

anyway... I have both DynaFlo and Crossfire.

When I played with them each on my Tunamax, they *performed* the same while in e-mode.

You are correct though, when the DynaFlo is cranked up to 1,000+ psi, the gun does *feel* different than my preset Crossfire (800-825 psi i think)...

but the gun did not *perform* any different.

[phantomhitman]

does anyone BESIDES nitrocuk make a screw adjustable tank?
there are major major major issues witht eh adjustable nitroduck tanks, NO ONE BUY THEM!

[Z-man]

I believe that they do perform different. Now I made a little video on this a while back using Carbon's E-Mag. Gimme a bit of time to dig it up. The preset tends to chuff and misfire at the high ROF's, the preset does not. It is a performance difference. The video is here on AO but gimme a sec to go find it.

Edit: That was easy.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=154159

[Jack & Coke]

ah sorry i was under the impression the conquest to have outputs of 1000 and over, my fault...

no problem...

it's right in the link you gave:

from:http://www.macdev.net/us/index.htm



"The Conquest is a fully featured, high flow, low pressure adjustable air system..."