someone convince me to buy a mag...

[pbjunkie87]

hey...i don't mean to be mean, but i have a cocker and was wondering what the big deal is about mags...i mean, yea, they're small and light, butwhat else about the makes them good? I'd really like to try one out to see for myself....I'm trying to decide if i should sell my cocker and get a mag, or stick w/ the cocker?

Basically, what i'm saying is: can someone put up a list of pros and cons for the mag? (preferably a e-mag)

Thanks!

[White_Noise]

pros:

easy to maintain
light weight
will fire faster than you can shoot it
lvl10 provides virtually no chops
low profile

cons:
lvl 10 takes a bit to tune, but is far easier to tune than a cocker



ive shot owned/own both mech and E cockers as well as mech and Emags. i got tired of timing my cockers, so i sold one/have one for sale. with the mag, barring any small lvl10 problems(usually fixed by oil) the only thing i have to do to maintain it it wipe it down, and oil it up before i play.

[GT]

they're small and light, butwhat else about the makes them good?

I dont think I have seen a cocker lighter than a ule mag

[johnson88]

Relibilty and simplictay also the ability to make them look really nics and diffrent.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

Another con no one mentioned, they are inefficent by todays standards. If you compare them to high end guns such as Timmys and Cyborgs, then they are inefficent. However, they still do just fine. I get around 1300 off my 88 with 3700 psi in it. But most fields have all day air so this is not a problem.

[REDRT]

You must already be somewhat convinced to be asking.

[AutomagBoy]

Time for every automag lover to hate me Nothing about the mag is better than the cocker. If you shoot a mag and love it your not going to care about all the good things on your cocker and you are going to think that the mag has no flaws. Same thing with the cocker. Sure i could go through the specs and point out all the technical flaws or technical wonders. The differance between a mag and cocker isn't great enough to pick one over the other based entirely on specs.

[shatter_storm]

Cockers can drop out of time, mag's LX can drop out of tune.
Mags have to be resprung for drastic velocity changes, cockers don't.
Cockers have more failure points.
Mags have a lot of cosmetic and handling upgrades, cockers just have cosmetics.
Both take e-upgrades, both e-upgrades cost a lot of money,


I'd say you should try out a mag and see if it feels good to you. Or, if you've got a bit of money, buy a used emag or RTpro - they're great markers.

[kurama]

Another con no one mentioned, they are inefficent by todays standards. If you compare them to high end guns such as Timmys and Cyborgs, then they are inefficent. However, they still do just fine. I get around 1300 off my 88 with 3700 psi in it. But most fields have all day air so this is not a problem.

It wasn't put as a con because cockers aren't efficient either. Both about the same air efficiency, maybe another extra 100 shots to the cocker if you sweetspot it.

With the ULT trigger kit, mags have lighter trigger pulls by quite a bit. Only some mech cockers can get close in this aspect. Mags are also lighter in weight and smaller in size, even without the Xvalve/ULE body combo. Indestructable too. The Level X bolt takes a bit of tuning, but it's less work than timing a cocker and one of those "learnt once, remember forever" things. Mags also have an anti-chop system while mech. It seems the RT ULE is more geared towards the speedballer and either is good for woodsball.

On the other hand, cockers are more upgradable. While at a certain point in upgrading, you reach the max potential in a mech (which is quite easy), you can tweak it to your preference. Cockers are more expensive, also. Everything else is either even or differs depending on the cocker's setup. On the other hand, cockers are cheaper to convert to an electro. You can pick uo used eblades for $225, while Emag lowers tend to go in the 300+$ range.

Really, the advantages either has over the other is quite minimal. They're both great markers and it's preference between the two. Try them out. If you can't, ask yourself if you really like your cocker. If you aren't 100% happy with it, sell it and pick up a used RT ULE. If you like the RT ULE, keep it. If not, sell it and get another cocker. Since you bought used, you won't loose any cash.

[Won Hunglo]

How about this? Buy a mag so you can blend me a paintball margarita.

[amrani]

How about this? Buy a mag so you can blend me a paintball margarita.

obviously never heard of a little thing called LEVEL 10 which is not only featured on the homepage of this site, it has been mentioned quite a few times in here. also the e-mag has ACE capabilities. there is no real difference IMO

[minimag03]

If you like your cocker then keep it. If you don't like it, but want to stay mech, get a mag. Simple as that.

[JimmyBeam]

Ease of maintenance

[Little_Ho]

Hi

where are you from???? If you close to SC we could meet up and you can shoot my setup!!!

And find it out.

No realy i had a cocker first, i liked it i realy did, then i shoot a friends Mag and was amaized how easy it is, he showed me how to Fieldstripp it and clean it. Then i tought ok, i buy one off eBay. After a while i had a plain ugly Powerfeed Classic Mag. Then i found this place.

The Classic Mag was shooting fine not just what i looked for. Then i startet to Upgrade them and sell/Trade them for Stuff i wanted. The Mag fever was there.

Here are some Mags i had or still have.

The first one i bought from eBay, it was ugly, shopping and short strocking, that was all my fault.


then i put some Upgrades on it. As you can telll, Y-Gripp, Minimag body for a Warp and a nice Barrel.


After all that experience i startet and made me an ULE Mag with x-Valve diffrent Rail Grippframe ans so on. This bad boy ripps i run 3500Rounds thru it in just 4,5h past Saturday and its an all mechanic.




So after all that, iam Building an E-Mag and a Pump Mag.
I think a Mag is reliable like an Tippy A5, can shoot fast and it can be light as hell.
Sofar i have a Classic RT (Airway to the Valve is diffrent), a WGP Cocker, my lovely bad boy Mag (last pic) and i will own a couple more if iam done.

The Mags are eassier to maintain, you dont need to Time the Trigger , 3-4Ways, Ram or any of that. All you need to do is take care of your Level10 and oil it. Thats what i do. I clean my Marker after every Game and take care on my stuff.

Thats all i do

Hope that helps. But realy let me know where you life and if its not to far away i will let you shoot mine and then decide.

[phantomhitman]

to everyone saying a cocker is not efficient, you are very wrong. after i installed my free flow internals i was getting pretty close to 1000 shots off of a 68-3 tank. that is pretty good in my eyes. if i ever get my cocker running agian i will do an exact shot count test, but it was pretty high.