someone convince me to buy a mag...

[Little_Ho]

Hi

yeah i forgot to say

THE MAG IS A GAS HOG!!!!!

But if you go to a field the most time you buy for a couple bugs All Day fillings. So why not using it???????

I get pretty much 800-900 shoots out of mine 68/4500 Crossifre HP. And iam ok with that.
Tha last Game past Saturday was a little bit pain, they filled Nitrogen out of Scuba Tanks and i had only fillings from about 2600psi. I filled my Bottle up after every Game, that was no bothering me.

So long

[GT]

There isnt anything special about FF internals. There are only two cockers I would ever consider owning, I have owned 1/2 dozen in the past, a revenge or one of Doc Nickel's fastbacks.

if i ever get my cocker running agian .

:rofl: :rofl:

[phantomhitman]

i really do think there is something special about their internals if you get that kind of effeciency. i had hte complete set from valve to ivg. they worked great for me, especially over stock parts. but like you quoted IT DOES NOT WORK

[skife]

mags have a feel to them... hard to explain, but its definatally a mag feel.

[GT]

i really do think there is something special about their internals if you get that kind of effeciency. i had hte complete set from valve to ivg. they worked great for me, especially over stock parts. but like you quoted IT DOES NOT WORK

so you are telling me that the only company that makes good cocker parts os FF? i think good effiency comes from proper internal weight and matched springs.

[phantomhitman]

wow, i guess i did say free flow is the only people making good cocker parts

if you get that from me saying free flow helped out my effeciency then so be it. its not like the slik kit on my cocker sucks, the besales ram, qevv, or ccm pump arm helps out either. my effeciency went up before i upgraded the slik kit or pump arm, so do not even try to use that.

people jump to conclusions very quickly around here, try to calm down. you do not need to read between the lines about every single post. oh yeah, im perfect by the way, so everyone lsiten to me and buy free flow parts

on the topic now. some cockers never break, others never work (mine). i do not fiddle around with crap, i set it up and it worked flawless for 3 months, now it will only cycle abuot 100 shots before it starts magically skipping shots. it is going to the second cocker tech this week, i will let you know the outcome.

[SOAD8789]

cockers shoot nice, but i dont like the feel. if you could get the feel of a mag, and let it shoot like a cocker, then that would be the best mech gun created. i like mags though, they are great guns. cockers are smoother and everything, but mags just have something...special? sounds kinda gay...but oh well.

[Little_Ho]

Hi

no, SOAD8789 is right.

Mags have something special. I owned a Cocker they shoot nice and smooth but Mags are special. I dont know exactly what it is but there is something special on any Mag out there.

I like them and i will have more and more.

Little_Ho

[Maggot6]

go to www.pbnation.com and the AGD part of it. they have a "why should I buy a mag" thread, I found it helpful.

[Blazestorm]

I personally don't like the way they shoot and think they're tempermental. Sure... some of them were tanks... others were complete crap.

I'd trust a well built cocker over a mag, cockers shoot better.

[dahoeb]

they're both very different feeling markers. mags have snappier triggers and quick actions, that tiny LX bolt blasts forward and gets pushed right back, thats basically it. cockers on the other hand feel like they have a smoother operation. i think they sorta give the illusion of elogance and greatness because they're more sophisticated. i know it sounds dumb but think about it, if something looks complex and intriquite, and feels complex and intriquite, with the unique sound it makes, smooth trigger and back block moving around, people will tell themselves, "Wow, this thing is so advanced looking and built, it must shoot better than other markers!". when in actuality, almost all paintball guns do basically the same thing, shoot paintballs out a barrel. they just have a different means of getting there. just because something is more complicated doesn't mean its better than the simpler alternative, hence KISS. autocockers just take the much more complicated route to do the same thing that spyders and mags and everything else do.

i know a lot of you people are thinking "wow, this guys an idiot...", but i'm not just pulling all of this out of my @$$. i've shot cockers before. are they good markers? oh they definately are! but performance wise, (except for ROF), are they really any more accurate or consistent than my old ir3, my xmag, or my old intimidator? nope. sure the marker felt like it fired smoother, but with my other markers, i was hitting everything my cocker could hit just the same. my markers used either a pipe barrel or freak and pmi 68/45, and all my high end markers gave me similar accuracy and consistency results. (but thats not a bad thing, the results were always good)

to sum it up, when it comes down to high end markers, the only real performance difference between them is trigger feel and basic design. chopping problems are all but completely eliminated in virtually all high end markers, they're all very accurate given a good paint/barrel match and consistent air supply. with all day air i wouldn't really consider efficiency much to be thought of, as long as 1 fill will get you through 1 game. when looking to purchase a high end marker, you pretty much should base most of it on trigger feel, general comfort, and how devoted or good you are at maintaining that particular type of marker. Its all really just preference in the end. some people don't mind a little weight on their marker, some do. some don't like the mouse clicky feel, some do. some dont like single tube design and some despise the stacked tube. some enjoy tinkering and timing, some don't. between mags and cockers, we can't really help you much with that decision because the only way people like one over the other is if they try them out and decide which design they fancy more. are mags worth a try? i'd definately say so, especially if youre into mechs.
i'm sorry if i sorta got off the topic with this post but i hope i helped a little.

[Conversekidz]

You are heartless if this doesn't convence you to buy a mag

[peewee]

well everyone has coverd it in a muddy waters kind of way.

[XSSPL]

my personal take on it...





I can't stand cockers. Tom and Budd set out to make blow forwards. Tom's is simple and goes into immediate production and is widely accepted as the marker for the tourney play of the time. Budd's on the other hand ends up like an experiment done by the mecahnical engineering version of schizophrenic's failed vacuum cleaner project. More hoses, valves, springs, rods, pins, finely milled what-cha-where-the-hell-does-this-go... things than should ever be needed, but by dang - there they are! It's like the guy that breaks out a multi-meter and writes three hypothethis as to why the kitchen light is out, when all the nimrod has to do is FLIP THE SWITCH!!


Keep
It
Simple
Stupid!

[mercury]

I don't post here often but when I do, it's because I think it's something important so here is my attempt to persuade you to buy a mag. I bought my first mag about 3 years ago: a classic Automag RT. The thing was heavy, not very attractive to most, and chopped a lot of paint. I loved that thing. When it did chop, all I had to do was dunk it in water, pull it out, and wipe it off. There was nothing better than wiping the smug look off of some kids face who thought he was the best because he owned an Angel. I had to sell this because I needed money and was deploying with the Marines.

A year or so went by and I decided to get back into the sport. I bought another Automag, this time one with a classic valve, ULE body, and level 10 bolt. I had never experienced level 10 before and I was amazed. I amazed people by sticking my finger in the breech and firing it. It was awesome.

Fast forward to now, where I am once again deployed and I am missing the sport as well as my Mag (which is still sitting at home.) I am making up for it by buying all the parts needed to make my own personal Mag with everything I want on it. I have a Dallara body, X-Valve, ULT, and all new accesories on the way home in hopes that they will be there for me when I return. I am spending $600-700 on just the marker. People may call me crazy for spending that much when I could buy a decent electro for that price. But, it's because there's something special about owning a Mag. You are typically looked at as an underdog. A man much wiser than me once told me, "Walk small, but carry a big stick." That's my motto when I go out on the field with my Mag.

On a side note, I did borrow a friend's Dye Cocker for a few weeks one time. I also loved that marker. It was so smooth and oh so pretty. It didn't give me problems while I had it. But, I just liked the Mags better. It's all personal preference but you will never go wrong in buying a Mag...especially with all the new technology. Another thing, should there ever be a problem, it's likely nothing this community can't help you fix.

Sorry for rambling...you fellas have a good day.