Sigs getting turned off

[Glickman]

The "AO Moderation Team" has made one of the most arrogant, insulting statements I have read in quite a while. I think it is worth taking a few moments to break this down:
So, if I understand this correctly, you are either a whining, noisy, naked person or you don't care.
That post is followed by this:
"Admittedly, my commentary was trolling for a response. It was slightly inflammatory on purpose. Get the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing.
I don't think those debates should go away, so long as within the rules. They're good to have when constructive."
There are many ways to get a discussion going without demeaning well intentioned people that are trying to the same thing.

well i was a little annoyed by some his responses, but not so such a degree.

what got me annoyed is "It would color the responses. I might let you know later."

honestly, my biggest pet peeve is people being condensending. this is not only condensending, but teasing.


that and you are provoking "colorful" discussions, which would obviously lead to problems.


so..... why would you want to do that?


or do you get a comission on bans

[AO Moderation Team]

The "AO Moderation Team" has made one of the most arrogant, insulting statements I have read in quite a while. I think it is worth taking a few moments to break this down:



So, if I understand this correctly, you are either a whining, noisy, naked person or you don't care.

That post is followed by this:

"Admittedly, my commentary was trolling for a response. It was slightly inflammatory on purpose. Get the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing.

I don't think those debates should go away, so long as within the rules. They're good to have when constructive."

There are many ways to get a discussion going without demeaning well intentioned people that are trying to the same thing.

Incorrect assessment. Notice that I qualified my statement with "usually," which does not rule out those who have legitimate issues that they would like to voice. I don't know if this is a matter of being a selective reader, or a self-confidence issue where you do not know where you stand. If you know you are not part of the crowd that I was mentioning, then I was not referring to you, and you are not part of the problem. And if you are part of the problem, then you can only make my argument stronger with your responses.

I beg to differ with the complaints on my approach. Just look at all the thoughtful responses that come of it. I stirred the pot just a little, to get your minds brewing. You have to wonder - are the statements serious, or are they a device? Don't confuse the bark for the bite. This bark makes you carefully analyze everything that's said - because you're looking for something that's incorrect since you want to throw it back into this person's face. You wouldn't think about it so much otherwise.

I believe I was very confident, which can get confused with arrogance. Arrogance is reckless, a high degree of confidence is not. Also, arrogance and incorrectness are mutually exclusive.

[1stdeadeye]

In before the lock!!!

[Steelrat]

[AO Moderation Team]

This has been an interesting experiment, and what I've been trying to show:

Complaint #1, digresses into Complaint #2, which digresses into Complaint #3, and so forth. The one thing that does not happen is -> going back to Complaint #1 or subsequent complaints, sticking with it, and trying to reach a resolution. You're so busy and eager to latch on to the next complaint that the previous ones are left unresolved. This puts your sincerity and seriousness into question.

I dare you to look at the original problems and attempt to move towards resolution.

[Duzzy]

[SCpoloRicker]

Aegis: probably pushing. just .02

AO Mod Team: def pushing. just .02

/summon anti-godwin in 5. 4. 3....

[Glickman]

yet, as AO Mod Team nicely put it, everyone is human. how else to better ourselves and each other then to critique?

yes, i believe it can be aimed as a personal attack, but it can also just be aimed at helping, i.e "Hey, you should turn that hopper around so its easier to fill in a game."

No personal attack intended, just helping. So i wouldnt nessissarily say that bringing someones faults to light is a personal attack, i would say its always a personal attack if that person is a perfectionist; arrogent to them not being perfect.

[Duzzy]

yet, as AO Mod Team nicely put it, everyone is human. how else to better ourselves and each other then to critique?

yes, i believe it can be aimed as a personal attack, but it can also just be aimed at helping, i.e "Hey, you should turn that hopper around so its easier to fill in a game."

No personal attack intended, just helping. So i wouldnt nessissarily say that bringing someones faults to light is a personal attack, i would say its always a personal attack if that person is a perfectionist; arrogent to them not being perfect.

Yet when you tell someone their hopper is backwards will they not feel stupid? And that can be taken as an attack on their intelligence.

But I think you are confusing the issue, there is a huge difference between someone being corrected of their ignorance in front of everyone, and someone being told that they are wrong in front of everyone.

I think people (I know I do) greatly appreciate it if you talk to them personally (and try to fix things) before attempting to publicly point out how wrong they are. While a person may not react as though it is an attack, a highly doubt you will find anyone who will not take it as an attack at some level.

[Blennidae]

I dare you to look at the original problems and attempt to move towards resolution.

Were you not present for one of the reasons behind this thread in the first place? There is still an "original" problem. Questions were asked, as there was not resolution.

Is it fair that the Moderation team can make inflammatory posts to "Get the blood flowing, get the brains churning, and the thoughts spewing", but if a regular member does the same, they run the risk of being banned?

If a member tries your experiment and it happens to hit close to home for the mods, what happens then?

[Aegis]

This has been an interesting experiment, and what I've been trying to show:

Complaint #1, digresses into Complaint #2, which digresses into Complaint #3, and so forth. The one thing that does not happen is -> going back to Complaint #1 or subsequent complaints, sticking with it, and trying to reach a resolution. You're so busy and eager to latch on to the next complaint that the previous ones are left unresolved. This puts your sincerity and seriousness into question.

I dare you to look at the original problems and attempt to move towards resolution.

Why don't you do us all a favor and identify what those problems are, then we can do so.

My only problem in this thread has been with your condescending attitude towards the members of this forum.

[Glickman]

My only problem in this thread has been with your condescending attitude towards the members of this forum.

ditto. that and "teasing".

this is just a forum. sure its a cool place to find info and shoot the breeze, but its nothing we cant live without.


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Yet when you tell someone their hopper is backwards will they not feel stupid? And that can be taken as an attack on their intelligence.

so what, just not tell them? honestly i dont know how that would help at all. its a suggestion, based really on political correctness, but hey, noone ever said you had to keep it a certain way.

I think people (I know I do) greatly appreciate it if you talk to them personally (and try to fix things) before attempting to publicly point out how wrong they are. While a person may not react as though it is an attack, a highly doubt you will find anyone who will not take it as an attack at some level

if your not open to critique, and view it as an attack, then that person is ignorant (atleast in my definition of the word)

life isnt all fuzzy and accomidating, just go with the flow and fix it next time, those not open to change wont get anywhere.

[shartley]

[1stdeadeye]

For pete's sake, it was a signature image on an internet forum. It is not life and death. It does not deserve 5 pages of discussion. Move on!!!!!

[Glickman]

For pete's sake, it was a signature image on an internet forum. It is not life and death. It does not deserve 5 pages of discussion. Move on!!!!!

heh well read the last 2 pages, were not really discussing the sigs anymore specifically.