Why Did AGD Design the Automag with a Built in Regulator

[noahyay]

the regulator on the automag is not needed if there is an inline regulator such as a stabilizer

why did AGD make an unconventional design when so many people put regulators on their mags anyway?

It seems they would make more sales if they just moved the forgrip on the RT Pro to the rail and put on another steel hose and a reg

what do you think?
AGD?

[Chronobreak]

because its a great reg desighn...and tom is cool like that

why make people buy stabs and regs etc etc too ....do you like buying these things...cause i sure dont.

people can still add any foregrip they want...i dont see the problem

[frischtr]

The automag was one of the first markers to accomodate constant air (thus the need for a regulator), so their design wasn't unconventional at the time, because it was one of the first! The mag has maintained nearly the exact same design as when it was invented, why... Beacuse it works, and works well !

[Xyxyll]

Not to mention it's the fastest recharging reg in the world (the RT valves), and it's 10 years old.

[Conversekidz]

Explain to me why you want the extra weight of an additional reg on a mag that already weights a ton, when a single reg is all it needs?

[ezrunner]

The Answer I got

when I asked Tom that question he told me that placing the reg at the back of the valve instead of all the way up at the front of the gun resulted in the highest possible recharge rate. There is less volume to affect between the reg output and the valve. This allowed him to recharge the dump chamber at about 43 times per second.

[ColdFuzion]

Exactly what the wise man above me said. ^^ Also, Tom is awesome, he can do crazy stuff and sell a ton of them. :)

-Cold

[FSU_Paintball]

Not to mention it's the fastest recharging reg in the world (the RT valves), and it's 10 years old.

Not quite. But it's pretty fast :)

Not many mag users have inline regs. They don't need to because it's built right into the gun. See, one less thing you need to buy! It makes perfect sense.

[noahyay]

thanks for the help

so the valve is reliable and consistant... those aare good reasons

[NewMagMan21]

I have no camplaint about the reg on mag ( I think they are great) But I think to make people happy there should be a plug or gas chamber er... whatever that can recplace the reg... That way if people for some strange reason want to put on a different reg. Just my opinion

[shorty24]

Beacuse it works, and works well !

AMEN!!!!!

[shorty24]

[QUOTE=Conversekidz]a mag that already weights a ton[QUOTE]

Mags don't necessarily weigh a ton anymore, though - thanx to ULE and other things... :)

[shatter_storm]

the regulator on the automag is not needed if there is an inline regulator such as a stabilizer

why did AGD make an unconventional design when so many people put regulators on their mags anyway?

It seems they would make more sales if they just moved the forgrip on the RT Pro to the rail and put on another steel hose and a reg

what do you think?
AGD?

Not many people put regs on their mags - it's completely unnecessary. You want the highest operating pressure possible, and double regulating an already regulated output (the tank) isn't necessary, it only drops the pressure more.
The 'mag already has great price/performance because other than looks, you can't *do* anything to it to make it better. No upgrading a junk stock reg - the mag reg outperforms any user and loading system available. Having a design that requires a replaceable regulator (like any other marker available) usually means (other than AKA and palmer's markers) replacing it at some point or another because of recharge issues.

I have no camplaint about the reg on mag ( I think they are great) But I think to make people happy there should be a plug or gas chamber er... whatever that can recplace the reg... That way if people for some strange reason want to put on a different reg. Just my opinion

You can replace the regulator on the mag. The most common way of doing it is to buy a sideline stabilizer from Palmer's Pursuit and strap it to the side of the valve, then gut the valve componants. Take the regulator piston and spring out and it acts like a simple air passage. Alternatively, you can put a regulator on the foregrip and run the line back to the valve and then gut the valve.

The problem is, the 'mag design benefits from a *small* volume of regulated air. The design keeps the volume small by placing the regulator the closest it can get to the dump chamber - straight off the back. It wouldn't necessarily work the same with the same air pressure but more volume - you'd most certainly lose efficiency, which is something that's slightly lacking in an automag anyways.

[AGD]

What most of you fail to comprehend is that all the hammer valve guns (angel, timmy, cocker etc) have a regulator built into the body. The front reg is just for entertainment. The hammer valve actually does the final regulation of the air pressure hitting the ball. Problem is you can't charge 100 bucks for a hyped up valve stem.

We were the first to use on board regs, everyone else added it on later even though they were using the hammer valve for regulation. Well tuned pump guns did a fantastic job of regulating the velocity over a wide range of pressures. Unfortunately thats now a forgotten art.

AGD

[shatter_storm]

What most of you fail to comprehend is that all the hammer valve guns (angel, timmy, cocker etc) have a regulator built into the body. The front reg is just for entertainment. The hammer valve actually does the final regulation of the air pressure hitting the ball. Problem is you can't charge 100 bucks for a hyped up valve stem.

We were the first to use on board regs, everyone else added it on later even though they were using the hammer valve for regulation. Well tuned pump guns did a fantastic job of regulating the velocity over a wide range of pressures. Unfortunately thats now a forgotten art.

AGD

But you *can* charge $30 for a hyped up higher-flow valve assembly ex: cockers. The higher flow valves actually do something though...

What I don't get is how out of all the paintball industry, there have been only four popularized designs: hammer-struck valve with assist (autococker, intimidator, ego, angel, etc), hammer-struck valve with blowback (tippmann, spyder, clones), spool valve (shocker, matrix), and blow forward (mag, freestyle). There's got to be better or more efficient ways of valving air, but nobody's invented them yet.