The ION and its effect on resale....

[nt2004]

The one thing that gets me is the little kids who come on the forums and the b/s/t threads and complain that they could go get an ion for the price you are selling your marker for.

[punkncat]

OMG stop crying and suck it up. SO your going to have to eat the cost of a marker you paid too much for. The Ion is a very nice marker, and the 300 dolalr price tag makes it even better.

You know, I suppose I am crying. I like to know that when I make an investment in a quality product that I should be able to recoup a reasonable return on the product later. I hate to see bad resale, but it troubles me even more when the manufacturer guts their OWN product line. As a result its gutted everyone else. We haven't even seen the effect of that yet. In many ways its good for new customers, but it screws all the people who have bought in before.

[JimmyBeam]

it cant be high prices forever, with competition, and new innovations, the price of quality markers was going to eventually come down. this was going to happen sooner or later, it just happened sooner, and noone was ready for it

[tyrion2323]

Buy something because you want to use it, not because you want to sell it later on.

[GT]

my thoughts, because I'm cool!

I dont think the sub 300 market has the "out of the box" tourney, yet. The ion is close but not close enough, poor inline reg and crappy trigger. So you are looking at 30-50 for a new trigger and atleast 100 for an excellent inline reg, for a total 430-450. For that kind of coin you can pickup any number of great used guns or a new b2k.

I think we're always going to have the ridiculously expensive stuff - you're paying for mill work and the psychological advantage. But I think what's going to happen is, there's going to eventually be little distinction between a $300 marker and a $1400 marker as far as performance goes.

'scue,
sort of agree. The high end guns, cost differential, has a lower ROI. For example, I can buy an ion with a crappy reg and trigger, or drop an extra 600 bucks on a viking that has a great trigger, inline reg, and is nearly twice as effiecient. Compare a viking to an excal, the excal is supposed to be smoother and much more rare, but it is also about 3-400 dollars more than the viking. Some of it is bling and some isnt, its just how much you are willing to pay.

[Dryden]

I think we're always going to have the ridiculously expensive stuff - you're paying for mill work and the psychological advantage. But I think what's going to happen is, there's going to eventually be little distinction between a $300 marker and a $1400 marker as far as performance goes.

I had the same thought. I imagine the Ion will go the way of the Autococker. You purchase the internals of a functional marker at a relatively good price, but ultimately you have a million-and-one options for aftermarket parts to "trick out" the Ion. Most of them will likely be placebos, but they'll all still sell.

Today you go buy a $300 Ion, in two months you go back to SP and buy a pretty CNC aluminum body for another $300 because you want your Ion to be 'distinguished.' Before you realize it, you're nickel-and-dimed back to a $1000 marker that isn't functionally different from the $300 stock you began with.

[JimmyBeam]

seriously....

a viking is twice as effecient? i heard they were good, but i get 12-1300 shots off a 68/45, will a viking really get over a whole case on one fill?

[dolphin1823]

You know, I suppose I am crying. I like to know that when I make an investment in a quality product that I should be able to recoup a reasonable return on the product later. I hate to see bad resale, but it troubles me even more when the manufacturer guts their OWN product line. As a result its gutted everyone else. We haven't even seen the effect of that yet. In many ways its good for new customers, but it screws all the people who have bought in before.

[BeaverEater]

This is why i buy all my guns used. I usually dont lose anything on them, and sometimes make some money on them. I dont think the ion is going to drastically cut the prices of any gun. I think of it more as a BKO. It might lower prices a little, but hopefully it will cause gun makers to come up with some new technology.

[kylyo123456]

Im still waiting for stinking paint to drop in price

[The Spanish Inquisition]

production

Anyone know what country ions are being made in? Is SP outsourceing to Taiwan/Mylasia yet?

[kurama]

You guys have it bad? Us Impulse owners are taking the worst of this from our already crappy resale. Probably from 70% to 40%...

[JaredMeier]

resales are always fluctuating. I dont think that the Ion is the main reason for the lower prices. this is the time of year that alot of people sell their gear. I think it is too early to tell, anyways. But I will say that like everyone at my local field is buying Ions..

[JimmyBeam]

right now its the Ion, 6 months from now there could be a gun that blows the Ion away and they are still charging 300 bucks

[Lohman446]

Anyone know what country ions are being made in? Is SP outsourceing to Taiwan/Mylasia yet?

Aside from the exoskeleton the ION is US made