R/T Custom outdated?

["the FitZ"]

Here's the answer. Get a mag. If you only play local tournies or woods ball you can use the rt effect at most of those. If you play big tournies and they outlaw rt's then you can still pull around 12 bps out of the box. w/ a new trigger (paradigm w/ viperblade) that has stops it can be faster. It's about like a mech cocker w/o all the other crap to deal with. If you are comparing to a shocker, dm4/5, (insert high end electro) and you feel as if you are outgunned then you could opt for the devilmag. It is one of the fastest electros on the market and can easily keep up. As for the efficiency it's almost on par w/ the other spool valves like dm4/5.

So... Go for the mag. either rogues or if you can afford it get a devil mag

[SpecialBlend2786]

the part outlined in red... it's the main visual dif I see between the Paradigm and others. What is it and can I get a paradigm with it?

nope. that'd be the for-grip bracket. Since the Sleeper has no holes you cant attach one.

Look into the original RogueRail. I have one and its pretty cool.

also, check out http://www.fragtek.com/

they have mags starting at $355 shipped. You can always get it with the stock frame and pick up an intelliframe off of the classifieds for cheap. good luck!

[Pullman]

Dude,

If you are picky then you oughtta go with the Paradigm or RT Custom (I would go Paradigm personally). You can stick any cocker threaded barrel you like on there and it'll look swell. The important bits are inside anyhow. Having played with numerous A-5s before I can tell you they are fine markers(for what they are), but they can't touch an x-valved mag. As far as cockers go, unless you have plenty of airgun experience and unlimited patience I'd pass. The mag is a super swell investment. I'm still playing with an x-valved mini-mag (that design is wayyyyy older than the RT Custom) which competes just fine with much faster markers, and I can prolly only pull 9-10 a second.

[MadPSIence]

is there anyone here from FragTek? I def have a few questions about them.. I like the dual hose setup too bad it's not available

[CKY_Alliance]

Im sure you noticed,but just incase,on AGD web site the gun can be ordered with a barral as an option it comes with one but it would be the same thing as ordering a paradigm and ordering a barrel form soemwhere else. Thought id just add that since you seem liek you want a barral with the gun. also the paradigm coems with asa and rt pro form AGD does not.

[Enemy]

also realize that other than the body the pardigm, fragtek, xvlaved minimag, and rt pro are identical!! the only real deferences are visually noticable like body rail and gripframe and what they come with!! also realize the gun is going to look the same with or without a barrel and if you really look around im sure you can find many photos of justabout any setup you desire. start here then try jayloo.com

[Pullman]

also realize that other than the body the pardigm, fragtek, xvlaved minimag, and rt pro are identical!! the only real deferences are visually noticable like body rail and gripframe and what they come with!! also realize the gun is going to look the same with or without a barrel and if you really look around im sure you can find many photos of justabout any setup you desire. start here then try jayloo.com

Good point!

One of the swell things about using an "older" marker is the ton of cosmetic add ons out there for them. The valve is the only important part.

[Kallahan]

The only reason AGD hasn't changed the overall design is that there's nothing to change. It's only flaw is average air efficiency and the inability to reach over 14bps legally. You're never going to change the efficiency problem so all you can do is get a bigger/higher capacity tank. As for speed, there are plenty upgrades available and more on the way. Why should AGD spend more green on r&d if there really isn't anything to improve?

There is ALWAYS something to improve on. AGD needs to improve or there won't be an AGD in 5 years.

[Creative Mayhem]

I may be chiming in late on this subject, but here's my take. I wont lie to you, yes the RTP/RT ULE are old designs, but let me ask you this, how can a design so old work so well? Quality, durability, and reliability.

I have owned a classic valved minimag for close to 12-13yrs, and I can tell you it performs like the day I got it. It isn't the fastest, but I can shoot more than my share of chumps with it. I got an xmag a few yrs ago, and I love it, it is fast, but do i need it? Not really, I wanted it

Basically what it boils down to is, what do you need in a paintball marker? If you need gas up and go, durability, reliabilty, and outstanding quality, than the mag is for you. Of course with all the customization and the outstanding dealers like RogueFactor and Tunaman you really can't go wrong in the looks dept either.

Good luck in your purchase.

[j.storm]

Yup, can't go wrong with Rogue, or any AGD product really.
Price: RT Pro Classic - unupgraded RT Pro - $250ish
RT Pro - Bell and Whistles - $550ish
RPG Paradigm - A RT Pro with the Bells and Whistles that actually looks sweet - $450ish

Looks: RTP Classic - Nice
RTP - Nice
RPG Paradigm - Very nice

Function: RTP Classic - Great for Woodsball, nice for req speedball
RT Pro - Great for both
RPG Paradigm - Great for both

Speed: RTP Classic - it's got a classic valve...slower, but if you can shoot straight, who cares
RT Pro - Xvalve. It WILL shoot as fast as YOU can pull the trigger (correctly that is)
RPG Paradigm - Ditto

Accuracy: They all shoot basically as straight as you can

Quality: We're talking AGD here. For the most part, they don't go wrong. And all RPG parts are basically modified AGD parts, so Rogue's stuff is superior too.

This is all personal opinion, but I play woodsball with a 'mag that is something between a Paradigm and a fully upgraded RT PRO. I can take ANYTHING out there, mostly because of moving and being able to shoot straight. In req speedball, I do just fine with a quick 3 round burst because, again, I can shoot straight (paint quality counts of course). Either gun would be great for either type of play. If it were up to me, I would get a Paradigm w/ ULT upgrade.

Hope this gives ya something to ponder.

[trev_pbller]

The site rails are nothing but old cosmetics more or less, or foregrip mounts/site rails...most people took them off the old RT Pro's...you posted about R/T Customs, in which Rogue produces custom mags. Don't be sketchy with Rogue, just because his gun doesnt have a barrel or rails doesn't mean he's a sketchy dealer. Rogue builds along with Tuna and others some of the hottest guns (mags) in paintball. The basic "trend" over the last few years with mags has been the weight and custom parts like the Sleeper rail and Rogue's Vert frame...jurastically reducing the weight of the RT. You're asking questions about mags, and trust these guys..they KNOW what they're talking about. They will not lead you wrong.

Rogue, you're my hero, I couldn't have kept my cool if I was you .

[Muzikman]

Umm, wait, you are asking if the Mag design is out of date, and then you go and look at a cocker? No offense here, but there is nothing "new" about the cocker design. And the quality of any System X gun is questionable. Tippmann is always a good choice though, but again, not very new.

So;

AGD RT Pro - Old design (Some re-engineered parts in the last 3 years), Reliable
Tactical Cocker - Very old design, Reliable (if you don't try and fix it yourself), New milling
System X NME - Newer design, Questionable quality
Tippmann A5 - Older design, Reliable

[jacobeid]

NOT doggin you though.. I'm just really sketchy. I'm picky about purchases. Anyways I'll def think about it.. thanks for sharing this with me. It's def given me another option. If I like her you might hear from me next week.

You can trust rogue with your life (well maybe I wouldn't put my life in his hands ) But he isn't going to rip you off. http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...ht=roguefactor 15 pages of happy customers. You know you're safe. I'll look around for a pic of a complete paradigm because you need a paradigm.

[j.storm]

You can trust rogue with your life

I'd trust him with the life of my 'Mag!

[tony3]

I've been using high end guns for a long while and this weekend, used my friends karta xvalve mag. It was definitely a disadvantage compared to my timmys. The fact is that the ease of shooting fast on the timmy is so much better then the mag. To get the mag near the speed of the timmy takes more time and effort. Snap shooting was also harder with the mag, takes longer to get those few shots off. Go with an electro. Ion is a nice choice. I saw 2 in action this weekend and they are great guns.