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  • Target Practice
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    • Nov 2003
    • 3180

    #1

    Female Paintball "Stars": The Ultimate Poser?

    This post is based off the input of multiple people, and is a group effort with multiple writers.

    Some members and I were sitting around talking about the state of paintball after an awesome day at the Norcal Socal event. We covered markers, cheating, sponsorship, patents, and the overall general fare that occupies the late night musings of AOers. This also got talked about in the AO chat room as well.

    Oh yeah, and we played Scrabble.

    Anyhoo, one topic that stood out in our conversation was the role of women in paintball. More specifically, in the tourney scene.

    Those in the discussion decided that we would love to see an all female team that plays a respectable game, and root for them. It's an inspiring thing to see women do well in anything that is traditionally dominated by men.

    But we cannot think of one female team that fits this description, and this is disappointing. We can only think of a couple of female players that had this kind of character, and they don't play anymore. They were REAL paintball players. Maybe some of you can add some more examples of those we are overlooking, if any.

    We tried to pin down why this is, when there are a few female teams out there. The first thing we talked about is how they play.

    Appearance is everything. They look convincing on the break, good enough for those important photo opportunities. We suspect that they practice the break a lot for these convenient group photos. But what the still camera does not capture is the lack of hustle, the lack of heart, the lack of exertion. Even mediocre male teams get out there, and hustle. Maybe this has something to do with why these women teams get rolled so much. The female players give little indication that they are trying to win by the way they play.

    And then they get to their first bunker. And then what? The game falls apart, and it appears that they are clueless and never pull it back together. It closely resembles a rookie team that has some idea of what they are supposed to be doing it, but they can not execute.

    You can't see an underlying strategy or game plan, unless you call hiding behind your 20 a game plan. They move here and there, but then what? You don't see them working together, working their way up the field, or any sense of coordination whatsoever.

    This is not a big deal. There is nothing wrong if a team is in a learning stage, or tries to better themselves. But these teams have every resource that they need to get better, and play a respectable game. Why do they keep getting rolled by mediocre male teams that are paying their own way? Not just beat. Rolled. Rolled like a pair of dice at Caesar's Palace.

    But they talk the talk, they talk the "paintball language.' Female machismo. They can't actually deliver the goods, and this doesn't mean winning the event but at least putting up an effort. They are good at acting the part of a "paintball player." They get interviews that are are scripted. Paintball is more of a side note, and the interview is more like a gentleman's periodical interview. They talk about how they learned everything they know from some pro, or how much they practice. They talk about how "aggressive" they are. Hahahaha! "Remember kids, be aggressive just like me! Do whatever you can to be closest to the camera! Hold on, my smores are almost done. Let me get them from my back bunker campfire."

    They play for the wrong reasons, and some of them don't even pretend anymore.

    Quit playing for the attention! One of their tricks is to complain about other female players who play for attention, but they are special. They are exceptional. This idea that they play for attention is not a new one, and a common retort from the females is that the "naysayers" are just jealous. Really. Of course they don't believe it, they are fooled by all the fanboys who tell them all about their "mad skillz," or whatever it takes to increase their minimal chances of getting a piece of hot poser action.

    They say they are trying to represent the average girl in paintball, and make a presence in the sport. But all they are doing is trivializing the average female player, the real ones. They are not doing anything that helps female players get taken seriously, although they pretend to. Is it their expected responsibility? Absolutely not, but it's what they say they are trying to do. These girls have no female paintball role models, unless you call a role model someone who:

    Gets wasted every night partying in their hotel rooms, clubs, limos, or bars, instead of attending the player get-togethers or meeting the fans.
    Act the part of mini-celebrity and treat you like you are nothing if you can't do something for them.
    Let's herself be a "token" player and/or an object
    Is more concerned with being able to get flown around by sponsors and party than the game itself.
    Has no real job.
    Has no education.

    and....

    Has no game.

    It would be thrilling for paintball if this were not the case, and we saw vicious female teams like you find in soccer, softball, basketball, and every other sport. They play for the glory of the game.


    "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.
  • Cameo
    Registered User
    • Dec 2004
    • 590

    #2
    guy asks me: "what in the world would compell you to play a sport such as paintball"
    I answer: "20 guys to every chick"
    so in my case, yes sir you are correct.

    I cheered because I loved to watch the guys show off. I played co-ed softball because I liked being around guys. I played Basket ball at the local hoop cause the guys thought a girl couldn't do it, and it was a great feeling to stuff them. I played tackle football along with the boys at the local park cause I liked having one of them pass me in the hall and say "great spiral yesterday". But through all of these I learned things from the guys about the sports(cause I must admit I was not very good at any of them, although i tried); and about guys in genral just by being around them.
    Females tend to be driven by attention, that is why they dress they way they do and act the way they do, and apperently that is why they play the way they do..Just how we are in my opinion.
    As long as guys are giving the girls attention, the girls will accept it.
    ~steph
    disclaimer: this is the opinon of me, and only me, as usual there will be some that disagree..
    "You are wonderful, whitty, and wise, but you spend to much time reading this sort of TRASH."

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    • Paintchucker

      #3
      Originally posted by Target Practice
      They play for the wrong reasons, and some of them don't even pretend anymore.

      Maybe they play for their own reasons, and not for your reasons. Your reasons are why you play. To each their own...

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      • Target Practice
        irc.zirc.org:6667 = chat!
        • Nov 2003
        • 3180

        #4
        Originally posted by Paintchucker
        Maybe they play for their own reasons, and not for your reasons. Your reasons are why you play. To each their own...
        They can play for their reasons, that's fine. Just say so.


        "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.

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        • Lohman446
          Useful posts: 7
          • Jun 2003
          • 9315

          #5
          Originally posted by Target Practice
          They can play for their reasons, that's fine. Just say so.

          There are exceptions, but I agree with you for the most part..

          Those reasons would be? I can be the center of attention of a sport dominated by men. By using myself as a symbol I can find myself in positions men of comparable talent would never attain.

          Those reasons? That being said, is it not true of many female athletes who cross into "male" sports. I mean, if there was a woman playing in the NBA (and I do not mean the WNBA) would she not gain notice that males of comparable skills would not - assuming she did not have the skills and abilities of a superstar to begin with.
          "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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          • SCpoloRicker
            HA HA I'm custom!!1
            • Jan 2004
            • 4375

            #6
            Some would be quick to point out that WNBA players couldn't realistically compete against NBA players. I'm not sure that is a valid argument. There doesn't seem to be any physical restraints from playing pball at a high level.

            Honestly, female teams strike me as novelty; usually pieced together, with looks at a premium. Take 10-15 pretty women, throw equip at them, and put 'em in events.

            To be fair; most of these teams don't have lots of time together, and some of the members may be new to the sport.

            Plus, I heard somewhere that the Russian Legion coach wants to start a female team.
            God....I guess I was probably returning videotapes.

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            • SlartyBartFast
              The Flying Scotsman
              • Jun 2002
              • 2940

              #7
              How many female paintball players are there?

              How many all female teams?

              Considering the small numbers, how did the "professional" female teams become "professional"?

              I don't know the history of any of the pro teams (and I don't particularily care) but it seems to me the pro teams are just assembled groups of poster girls used to sell products to testosterone addled teenagers.

              This means their primary function is to promote their sponsors and simply get noticed.

              The fact that they are assembled from all over, probably means they get to practice very little as a team.

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              • Lohman446
                Useful posts: 7
                • Jun 2003
                • 9315

                #8
                Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
                Considering the small numbers, how did the "professional" female teams become "professional"?
                The answer is not the players fault - in other than they have allowed themselves to be exploited. I'm guilty of what most players are.

                The purpose of promoting a team is not to make a winning team - it is to sell product. There are many methods of doing this- winning teams promote products, but in a very competetive environent recruiting, building, and keeping a winning team together is difficult and likely costly. Or you can put together a team of good looking women A female team likely garners as much attention as any but the best of the best teams out there - and is easier to build and maintian. I can look at a female team as a marketting director and tell you if they will suceed at gettign the product looked at, I don't have to worry a bit about there playing ability. Sorry... this is not meant to be chauvinistic.

                Take the female teams - if one of there members quit replacing her is not as hard, there are far more good looking women then there are pro level paintball players.

                The industry uses women teams to promote there product because they promote it better (print coverage, photo coverage, "fans", etc.) than a male team would. They have no need to be ultra competetive to do so.

                Can you blame the ladies? I mean look at the attention the female players on these boards get compared to the male members, it is simply marketting. I mean if showing my assetts would get me a place in pro paintball I would to. Seriously, how many of you would not given the chance?

                Look at it this way - look at the worst hit threads. You and I probably both read it with mild interest, but as soon as Cameo used the word breast and butt she had our attention more than any other post on that thread didn't she?
                "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                • Skoad
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 3265

                  #9
                  Luckily this is spurting some intelligent posts, i could see this thread over on pbnation right now...


                  Not all paintball teams play to be the best, many play for fun. I don't really see the female teams boasting about how good they are. My only problem is when an interview is done with players from a female team and they claim to be "competeing with the pro's." In my view competeing is actually doing above average, not just playing against the pros. Any old team with the $ backing them can go to an event and play with some of the best.

                  As far as sponsers and such goes, any paintball player would accept free crap - even if it is crap!

                  Paintball is kind of a unique sport in the fact that I think both genders have an equal opportunity to do well. In other mainstream sports men are in an upper class based on mainly physical strength. In paintball, you don't even need to be in tip top shape to play well. Everyone has the same or equal equipment and you don't need to be some super weight lifter. I don't think you can really be a natural in paintball either. The only real things that can seperate players is talent/skill and possibly sprinting speed - which both genders have an equal chance to ultimately master.


                  I'm not sure why there hasn't been a decently successful female team. Maybe they are caught up in the attention they are getting instead of working towards being the best, maybe not. I think that if there is to be a really good, stand out female player that it will not come from these all female teams, but possibly a co-ed team. I'm not sure why there aren't many mixed male/female teams. Maybe the thread-starters views about female players is true and the "role models" are really in essense letting down other female players (or prospective players) by not winning.


                  I'm kind of curious to what Clare will respond with, if she does. Maybe she can fill us in on what practicing habits of female teams are, and what actually drives them to play.
                  Last edited by Skoad; 04-04-2005, 11:57 AM.

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                  • Eric Cartman
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                    • Apr 2003
                    • 779

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Skoad
                    I think that if there is to be a really good, stand out female player that it will not come from these all female teams, but possibly a co-ed team. I'm not sure why there aren't many mixed male/female teams.
                    Since there are far fewer females playing the game, this certainly makes sense to me. If I was a female (shudder) looking to get ahead / move up in the world of paintball, I'd be trying to get on a good team. I wouldn't want that to be an all female team, I'd want to be playing with the best players I could find regardless of gender.
                    Eric Cartman

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                    • coyote

                      #11
                      I play for 1 reason...

                      FUN

                      I would suggest that the ladies do it for the same reason.

                      The few female teams that exist in paintball make them desirable faces. that is how they are used.

                      Don't tell me that Dye puts 10% of the resources that they put behind Ironmen behind the Femmes Fatale. They don't. Ironmen, NYX, and Aftershock are on the Dye roster to sell C5's and DM5s, their performance gear. The Femmes are there to sell Vixen shorts and babydoll tanks. That requires long legs, pretty smiles, and a mad suntan.

                      I know a handful of lady ballers who are as good as most men. Put into a major marketing situation they aren't going to get the coaching and practice time the men are. they are going to be groomed as spokemodels.

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                      • tsc
                        lifein320.blogspot.com
                        • Oct 2000
                        • 708

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Cameo
                        guy asks me: "what in the world would compell you to play a sport such as paintball"
                        I answer: "20 guys to every chick"
                        so in my case, yes sir you are correct.
                        You know what?

                        Thank you. Thank you for making it that much harder on me. Because of people like you, I cannot go to the field and have a good time, because I'm dodging the comments behind my back like "Yeah, she's here with her boyfriend" or "Oh, damnit, a girl...". Thank you for ruining my sport for me. You are the problem this thread addresses.

                        Originally posted by Lohman446
                        There are exceptions, but I agree with you for the most part..

                        Those reasons would be? I can be the center of attention of a sport dominated by men. By using myself as a symbol I can find myself in positions men of comparable talent would never attain.
                        Where are the exceptions? The female players that play for the game get no attention-- they're too busy playing to market themselves, or have their own line of merchandise, or shmooze with sponsors.

                        And you're missing the point- these girls (I will not call them women, that assumes maturity and respectability) call themselves "real players" they say they are just like everyone else and play for the game. If they are a promotional team, don't hide it. The Dye Girls Team. The Empire Ladies. Don't hide it. Don't pretend. Because experienced/intelligent male players look at the only publicized females in the sport and go "wow, for paintball players, they suck."

                        Originally posted by SCpoloRicker
                        To be fair; most of these teams don't have lots of time together, and some of the members may be new to the sport.
                        That's the point. Real teams practice, real teams hang out outside of the scene, real teams often have friends or relatives, and are not pieced together of the best marketing tools.

                        Why is someone who is 'new to the sport' on a sponsored tournament team? Why? If they're "new to the sport", they're not good. Period. It's like putting a 12-year-old on a collegiate running team and expecting them to hold their own. The rest of the team will carry them, and their teams will still win sometimes, but not because of the contribution of the 12-year-old.

                        Originally posted by Lohman446
                        Can you blame the ladies? I mean look at the attention the female players on these boards get compared to the male members, it is simply marketting. I mean if showing my assetts would get me a place in pro paintball I would to. Seriously, how many of you would not given the chance?

                        Look at it this way - look at the worst hit threads. You and I probably both read it with mild interest, but as soon as Cameo used the word breast and butt she had our attention more than any other post on that thread didn't she?
                        But you know what. The attention the female 'players' on this board get, when given to actual players of the sport, just gets in our (yes our) way. We want to play, not to be fawned over or told how good we are, or told how courageous we are for playing such a big, scawwy sport. It's BS. I'm a player, I go to the field with the same expectations of any of the guys there-- to be left the hell alone, to shoot people, and to be shot. I am sick and tired of having people apologize for hitting me-- "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to!" Yes, you did. Quit.

                        Put true female players in the limelight, PLEASE. ANd you know what? They wouldn't have their own merchandise, or posters, or Maxim-style interviews in various magazines. They'd be too busy playing. And they'd be good at it, too.


                        And on top of that, I would like to say "Yeah, I got hit in the boob and WOW, you have never seen a funnier looking honker." And not have every male set of ears in the vincinity perk up. And, as Cameo (fitting name..) has admitted...she does it for the attention. That is the problem I'm talking about. She makes it so us mammary-enabled players cannot go to the field and have a good time, because people assume we're all there to get attention, and to be around all of the guys. There is no rolleyes big enough.

                        Originally posted by Skoad
                        I'm not sure why there hasn't been a decently successful female team. Maybe they are caught up in the attention they are getting instead of working towards being the best, maybe not.
                        I'm sure they got into the sport with good intent (Cameo has now proven my assumption wrong, further lessening my faith). You have to start playing sometimes. But when they kept getting attention, when they realized they were fawned over and idolized...they forgot about paintball. All of these female teams and players have forgotten about paintball a long time ago, and it's turned into nothing but a tool to get attention.

                        I work for every ounce of respect I get on the field, and trust me, it ain't much. I need to play as hard as I can, proverbial balls-out, to the limits of my skills, for the people I'm playing against and with to even BEGIN to take me seriously. If I slack off for one game and chill in the back laning...I hear comments afterwards like "Oh haha, she's getting tiiired. I wonder if her boyfriend will take her home" or "Yeah, she sucks, did you see what she did last game?".

                        I'm a GIMP. I had radical knee reconstruction and reforming. They broke my leg to fix my knee. I wear a full-leg articulated knee brace when I play, and I limp.

                        And I get cheated against.

                        Let me tell you a story.

                        My first day playing paintball in a year. I was in my knee-brace, using a crappy minimag with a z-grip and a finicky revvy. I'm sitting in the back of the truck, getting my crap together.

                        The guy in the car parked next to us is named Kerrigan. He walks up, looks at me, and says:

                        "Oh hey, little lady."

                        It took every ounce of my strength not to break his nose.

                        The first game came down to Kerrigan and myself. We had ended up flanking each other, and were both on the fifty, and shooting across the field the wrong way. I start working towards him. I'm 20 feet from him. I rip off a string the second I see his hopper come out of that bunker. I hear 'thwok thwok PAK" Goggle shot. You know that sound. Everyone watching from the sidelines CALLED THE GAME. It was over. I put my marker down. Kerrigan comes from behind his bunker, goggles clean, and stitches my right side.

                        After the game, he came over to me and said: "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you".

                        I tried a little less hard to restrain myself from punching him this time.

                        The second game, It is down to me against Kerrigan and some guy with an A-5. Kerrigan pops out, I gog him. Guy with the A-5 gets me in my breif moment of gloating where I wasn't paying attention. Cool, no prob.

                        Kerrigan comes up to me after the game.

                        "Welp, looks like the LITTLE LADY shot me out! Good job, I didn't think you could do it!"

                        This had nothing to do with my kneebrace. This had only to do with the fact that I had boobs. You know how I know? Because every other time I played with him, at different fields, not wearing my kneebrace (Brace free for 3 months, what what)...He makes the same comments. Over and over again.

                        And he's not the only one. He's just one of so many who pull this crap, because the only highly publicized female 'players' SUCK. They suck and they are marketing tools who try to get their faces on as many products as possible-- not their paint on as many faces as possible.

                        I truely am sorry if this comes off as incredibly bitter. But it's hard not to, because I am. I am sick and tired of this sport, and how it treats me. But it's my sport. And damnit, I'm going to try to fix it.
                        Such a sham(e).

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                        • JimmyBeam
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 1105

                          #13
                          we have three girls that play somehwat regularly at our field. but as much as I hate to say it, they dont play because they love the game, they play because the field is full of guys, and they get non stop attention the whole time they are there.

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                          • Duzzy
                            Mentally confused, wanders

                            • Apr 2004
                            • 940

                            #14
                            Originally posted by tsc
                            That's the point. Real teams practice, real teams hang out outside of the scene, real teams often have friends or relatives, and are not pieced together of the best marketing tools.

                            I am sick and tired of this sport, and how it treats me. But it's my sport. And damnit, I'm going to try to fix it.
                            I apologize for cutting out most of your quote but it was a little long. My question to you is, where do I find more girls like you? I have yet to find a girl passionate about playing paintball in my area. They play because of peer pressure, to get attention, and to "spend time" with their boyfriends, but no chick I know plays for the game. They play for glory. Heck, I would love to get bunkered by a girl because it would say something about their character that no one else seems to have.

                            And I love the last line, in America many people are under the idea that if you think something is wrong then you should leave. But that doesn't make anything better, only makes matters worse. Good luck.
                            Last edited by Duzzy; 04-04-2005, 01:28 PM.

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                            • Target Practice
                              irc.zirc.org:6667 = chat!
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 3180

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Duzzy
                              I apologize for cutting out most of your quote but it was a little long. My question to you is, where do I find more girls like you? I have yet to find a girl passionate about playing paintball in my area. They play because of peer pressure, to get attention, and to "spend time" with their boyfriends, but no chick I know plays for the game. They play for glory. Heck, I would love to get bunkered by a girl because it would say something about their character that no one else seems to have.
                              You're not going to see them. They are indistinguishable from the serious player, whether the mask is on or off.


                              "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --Henry Louis Mencken.

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