karni hits 54 bps

[AGD]

Even more entertaining than the "vibrating" back block was the responses of the people on that forum.

AGD

[Mr. Mouse]

q loader could do it.... . .

[68magOwner]

q loader could do it.... . .

but the gun couldnt

[SCpoloRicker]

Even more entertaining than the "vibrating" back block was the responses of the people on that forum.

AGD

eleventy1!

;P

/"G7 does 45bps"

[can'tthink of1]

I call BS, you can look in the back and watch the video speeding up, almost like fast forwarding.

[shartley]

[Duzzy]

I couldn't even read the "BPS" counter on the gun.

But look at it this way, it is all about presentation.

The majority of people are ignorant and way too trusting. Had this not been AO where people are generally not fond of Autocockers then the response probably would have been much different.

But by labeling the claimed "54 bps" in the title people are less likely to question it. They see it as a stated fact and believe it.

Good marketing technique if nothing else, think about how many people will watch the video and want a Karnivore, or an Autococker in general. I would imagine a few (nothing earth shattering perhaps).

In all honesty, I think that the majority of responses on this forum (had a few people not posted sensible counter arguements to why it isn't fully cycling) would have been something along the lines of, "No way a cocker can do that!". Mostly posted out of a dislike for Autocockers in general, not because they actually thought it couldn't they just wouldn't like the fact that it could.

Oh, and I have never owned a marker with a "BPS" counter (There might have been one on my E1 but it was never looked at) and I have been playing for almost 7 years... So actually I really don't know how ineffective they are.

[SlartyBartFast]

In all honesty, I think that the majority of responses on this forum (had a few people not posted sensible counter arguements to why it isn't fully cycling) would have been something along the lines of, "No way a cocker can do that!". Mostly posted out of a dislike for Autocockers in general, not because they actually thought it couldn't they just wouldn't like the fact that it could.

Not true.

Every claim on AO is challenged. Even if it's a fantastic claim about Mags, there will be sceptics here who will refuse to believe until video is produced.

All claims and even videos are useless unless balls are fired.

[Duzzy]

Not true.

Every claim on AO is challenged. Even if it's a fantastic claim about Mags, there will be sceptics here who will refuse to believe until video is produced.

All claims and even videos are useless unless balls are fired.

I think you misunderstood what I intended to say.

My point was, that if some people hadn't pointed out logical reasons why an Autococker cannot fully cycle that fast, there would still be people saying it couldn't.

Only they wouldn't be basing it on any evidence, just the fact that they either do not like Cockers, or don't like the fact that a Cocker "can" cycle that fast.

[FSU_Paintball]

I think the deal with the Eclipse BPS counters is that it will show you how many "shots" the gun is really trying to fire... doesn't mean you'll get the desired result. For instance, there's a forumula for coming up with a specific max ROF on eblades. You add up certain cycle times and divide by 1000, and that shows you your max ROF. Now, whether or not your eblade will actually FIRE at the speed you're after is another issue... but you can put 50BPS settings into the eblade and it'll actually fire... just not 50. I suspect that's what's going on here. The gun is partially cycling 54 times a second, so that's what the shot timer says. Doesn't mean you'll be able to shoot 54 paintballs, doesn't even mean that you get COMPLETE cycles. It just means that the gun registers a trigger pull and tries to cycle the gun 54 times a second.

So I'd say the BPS counter is more accurate than something like WAS, and it is accurate in terms of "the gun is trying to fire this fast", but it doesn't mean you'll actually shoot 54 paintballs per second.

[SlartyBartFast]

Only they wouldn't be basing it on any evidence, just the fact that they either do not like Cockers, or don't like the fact that a Cocker "can" cycle that fast.

Check another thread I'm overly involved in.

You CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE.

You can only prove a positive. Unless you can prove with fact and data something is true, you can't blame others for being cynics, no matter what thier motivation is.

[Duzzy]

Check another thread I'm overly involved in.

You CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE.

You can only prove a positive. Unless you can prove with fact and data something is true, you can't blame others for being cynics, no matter what thier motivation is.

If you cannot prove a negative what is the point in making the statement?

I didn't blame anyone, just saying that somewhere way out in the Wide World of the Web someone would (notice the conditional I have been using the whole time) probably say it isn't possible just because they don't like Cockers, or they don't want to admit a Cocker can shoot that fast.

Conditionals are wonderful things... I cannot prove myself right, and you cannot prove me wrong because the hypothetical scenario did not exist, does not exist, and cannot exist in the exact same state it was in at the time I made the statement.

[AnimalMother]

Does anyone know if that's an E1 or an E2? Cuz my brother has an E2 Karni, would be pretty sweet to know that his gun's capable of that wicked speed .

[FSU_Paintball]

It doesn't matter, it's not capable of that speed. Just tell your brother to lower his COFF as low as it can go without causing the gun to choke or make shootdown.

[nicad]

This Karni link and topic came up on the Guild last weekend..

http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=9013&messageid=1113778314

Some decent points are made.. and lost. :) :)

out!