AGD dissapears

[WARPED1]

AGD only lives becuae of some of the members of this website, and the word of mouth they spread.

Yes, too bad really. The TAC was a good idea, just a little pricy for most, not all, scenario ballers.

[TheTramp]

1) I wonder if the Mag will end up like Palmer's guns. A great product but made in small quantities for a nich market.

2) Mag stuff will never go away. Just look at the Tribal for god's sake. You'd think that it would be LONG dead and gone but there are still new products being developed for it.

[shartley]

[Maggot6]

I hope that they end up like tippmann, the mag as the 98 custom, and the rt pro like a a-5 and the tac one... But that means their costs would have to go down, and they would have to start putting their gun in every other page of newb magazines..

My emag wont die

[tippy baller]

all AGD would have 2 do 2 get noticed is do something bold and drastic...i dont mean make a new super fast 200bps marker or somethin like that i mean just start sponsorin pro teams again... if AGD put a lets say X-ball team in and they won in just for arguments sake 3rd place... ppl would b like WOW those really arent bad markers in fact they are really good! its just gonna take effort to pull AGD back into the mainstream....
EDIT: i may be new around here but im not a moron... ive seen similar things happen in other sports... if AGD would start sponsorin top level teams again they would be noticed and ppl would b like i want "So and So's"gun on team "AGD Xtreme"(for example) cuz he mows muppets and i wanna b just like him!

[Lee]

please correct me if i'm wrong (and i'm sure someone will) but, paintball is not all aAGD does.

maybe they are just leaving the paintball market or only continuing with it as is and not worrying about expanding that area of thier buisness.

i don't think AGD as a whole will go away. maybe just the paintball arm of the company.

[WARPED1]

all AGD would have 2 do 2 get noticed is do something bold and drastic...i dont mean make a new super fast 200bps marker or somethin like that i mean just start sponsorin pro teams again... if AGD put a lets say X-ball team in and they won in just for arguments sake 3rd place... ppl would b like WOW those really arent bad markers in fact they are really good! its just gonna take effort to pull AGD back into the mainstream....
EDIT: i may be new around here but im not a moron... ive seen similar things happen in other sports... if AGD would start sponsorin top level teams again they would be noticed and ppl would b like i want "So and So's"gun on team "AGD Xtreme"(for example) cuz he mows muppets and i wanna b just like him!

AGD would have to make an electro again. Because the whole mindset of Xball/tourney players is the gun must be electronic and have eyes. No amount of cool videos of Toms tounge or finger in a Mag breach will convince them LX is the way to go. It's just the mindset of "advanced" players.

[Lohman446]

all AGD would have 2 do 2 get noticed is do something bold and drastic...i dont mean make a new super fast 200bps marker or somethin like that i mean just start sponsorin pro teams again... if AGD put a lets say X-ball team in and they won in just for arguments sake 3rd place... ppl would b like WOW those really arent bad markers in fact they are really good! its just gonna take effort to pull AGD back into the mainstream....
EDIT: i may be new around here but im not a moron... ive seen similar things happen in other sports... if AGD would start sponsorin top level teams again they would be noticed and ppl would b like i want "So and So's"gun on team "AGD Xtreme"(for example) cuz he mows muppets and i wanna b just like him!

Wow.. thats like so easy

I mean, we're just going to snag a team capable of winning -hey, we'll just throw one together from members on this board, winning the "big" tournaments is easy

Who won Huntigton Beach? What marker were they using? How about last years Chicago? LA? World Cup? Who placed second and third? What marker where they using? I still am of the opinion that sponsorship of winning teams is overrated in marketing.

What established team, with a track record of winning, are you going to snag away from who? With what capital?

Then... after you do, how much does it matter? I can only tell you what Strange and Dynasty shoot because of politics of paintball... I have no clue what the other "top" teams shoot... nor do I care. Your going to enter an already saturated market... AGD already did this with some good European teams - did it help?

You need a marker that this team will feel comfortable shooting... so your back into the electo market business. THen your going to have to steal a team from one of the "big boys" probably resulting in a cease and desist and render useless order against the markers you just made. So now, in addition to being back into the electro problem you also get to play in the politics of the big leagues.

So... explain to me again how this is so simple and so obvious?

[Lohman446]

AGD would have to make an electro again. Because the whole mindset of Xball/tourney players is the gun must be electronic and have eyes. No amount of cool videos of Toms tounge or finger in a Mag breach will convince them LX is the way to go. It's just the mindset of "advanced" players.

Its also the mindset of a lot of us who have used things that are "just as good as eyes" even if we are not "advanced" players. Level ten, sensei, cops... frankly no they are not as good as eyes. Im going to get flamed for that one, but it is my honest beleif after having used LX and eyes. I'll take eyes any day.

[JKR]

Geesh...some of you guys are a little harsh.

Paintball is youth driven and is mostly marketed as such. There are companies that don't try to market to the latest and greatest "bling-bling crowd" and AGD happens to be one of them. Palmers and Tippmann (to a degree) are two others that don't attempt to bow to the every latest craze and splash their goods all over the magazines (or more accurately, multi-page advertisements.) Therefore everyone pronounces them DOA in the marketplace.

Does anyone here know AGD's unit sales or overall profit margins? Does anyone here know what portion of AGD/Perfect Circle's sales come from paintball? Does anyone know if perhaps a personal emergency prompted AGD from pulling from the OK D-Day event they just missed? Does anyone know what the R&D dept at AGD is up to? No....

Although AGD may not be on the cutting edge of electronic innovation, they still remain the product to beat in mechanical paintball guns. AGD's products appeal to a more mature and experienced crowd that prefers quality over the latest flashy item. If they continue to produce and offer new products to the marketplace (ie the ProClassic) why are you guys complaining so much? If you don't like their product and find it out-dated, find another forum and buy a Timmy or something.

Most people who post here enjoy 'Mags and would like to see them stick around. Do you think that bashing AGD's decisions without any firm data to back them up is good for the future of the company we all love so much?

Just my $0.02.

JKR

[Lohman446]

Although AGD may not be on the cutting edge of electronic innovation, they still remain the product to beat in mechanical paintball guns.

Well I have already noted that very very few of us on these boards have actual insights into AGDs system and our observations were from what we see. I would question this. I would think that Palmer would question this as well... Chipley, and those behind the Evolution 'Cocker as well as some other high end cockers (does SP still make these even?). Do I think they are one of the best mechanicals out there... yes I do. Do I beleive that they are "it" not a bit.

[shartley]

all AGD would have 2 do 2 get noticed is do something bold and drastic...i dont mean make a new super fast 200bps marker or somethin like that i mean just start sponsorin pro teams again... if AGD put a lets say X-ball team in and they won in just for arguments sake 3rd place... ppl would b like WOW those really arent bad markers in fact they are really good! its just gonna take effort to pull AGD back into the mainstream....
EDIT: i may be new around here but im not a moron... ive seen similar things happen in other sports... if AGD would start sponsorin top level teams again they would be noticed and ppl would b like i want "So and So's"gun on team "AGD Xtreme"(for example) cuz he mows muppets and i wanna b just like him!

[MiniSpdRcr]

The main reason I brought this up...was well bascially they had 2 spots reserved at Oklahom D-Day...when I went to check about new vendors, they were gone. Its sad to see that they DID have a spot in the vendor area (in fact they were the very first vendors to sign up) but now they are missing from the picture. At least one vendor booth would prove valuble to them, at least I think so.

This years game will be the biggest they have ever had...its going to top off at 4000 people. That would be a great area for them to show off their products. Or at least sell whats left of their inventory.

[Lohman446]

The main reason I brought this up...was well bascially they had 2 spots reserved at Oklahom D-Day...when I went to check about new vendors, they were gone. Its sad to see that they DID have a spot in the vendor area (in fact they were the very first vendors to sign up) but now they are missing from the picture. At least one vendor booth would prove valuble to them, at least I think so.

This years game will be the biggest they have ever had...its going to top off at 4000 people. That would be a great area for them to show off their products. Or at least sell whats left of their inventory.

I have to agree here.. AGD took the line about moving hard into the scenario market for awhile.. and then just didn't.

Like this or not, those of us who do not have access to AGDs internal workings and the knowledge that go with it, judge based on what we can see.

This, to some of us, just looks like AGD trying less and less... and why are they not trying?

PS: Yes I agree that TK has other profitable venues, much more so than paintball. However, I don't really care about them unless they were to keep AGD afloat even if it were not profitable.

[Twiek]

Its also the mindset of a lot of us who have used things that are "just as good as eyes" even if we are not "advanced" players. Level ten, sensei, cops... frankly no they are not as good as eyes. Im going to get flamed for that one, but it is my honest beleif after having used LX and eyes. I'll take eyes any day.

You can divide ACS's into two categories, active and passive. LX, 'cockers, anti-chop bolts, etc. are passive systems... Eyes, cops, sensi are active.

Active systems have the advantage of speed. A ball pinch is a shot that could have been taken just a few ms later, but is instead taken a full cycle behind (also, markers with active systems typicly have higher bolt speeds). Pinches also usually deform a ball enough to make the next shot less accurate. However, active systems (namely eyes) aren't foolproof. If somehow paint gets in the breech (breech break or hopper break), you've lost your ACS. Eyes can also go down for other reasons (low battery, bad components, etc). Passive systems, however, always work. A breech full of paint won't make an LX chop. And all current active systems require electronics.

I prefer to have both (for example, an e-bladed 'cocker, or a LX Devilmag), but if I could only have one, I'd probably choose passive. To me, the advantages of a passive system are greater than the minor speed boost active systems impart. Plus, you can always add an active system to a passive system, but it's often difficult (or impossible) to do it the other way around.

But I see where you're coming from