Dc 03 Fsp

[rkjunior303]

they are still by far some of the most efficient markers on the planet.

[magman007]

oh no argument there, il agree to that, but it just doesnt seem like people care about efficiency any more, no need to shoot 10 pods a game any more

[hobbesTZ]

I'm ready to spend $650 on an '03 WAS viking. Is there anything else in that range I should be looking for?

[Duzzy]

Sounds like a good deal, but I am no AKA expert by any means.

Now, we should all stop talking about AKA markers or the company and return to oohing and aahing the beautiful marker put before us.

[magmonkey]

I'm glad you guys like it, I fell in love with this one when it came back from anodize

Alan
DC

[yakitori]

vikings kick? its less than a timmy, more than a trix, definitely less than my emag had. Not a whole lot more than a trix in terms of kick though. It is less kick than an angel too. The diff. between viking and angel is that angels have an adjustable ram cap, and can get rollback or double feeds w/ a Halo B (not to mention you cant even run a halo on some angels). Sensi sucks. The LPR runs at 85 psi when the viking LPR is about 70-72psi when broken in, which give less kick. The inline pressure is about 170-180 w/ MM. Vikings are very easy to fix even though you need a tool kit. They are more consistent than angels. Of the angels ive shot, I feel the viking had better accuracy even w/ the same barrel and paint. Vikings have a lifetime warranty. Angels require a tool kit too, but its more expensive than the viking toolkit (although that kinda bugged me too). They are extrememly reliable and low maintainance. Type 3 ano is hard to scratch, angels ano is very easy to scratch. Angel 14 way valve gaskets suck and I always had them hissing.

W/ my angel that I had, the adjustable ram cap sometimes began to slip and the bolt got stuck forward in the breach causing me to have to break out the tool kit, open the backplate, unscrew the hammer, readjust it. Also the angel hammer has that buggy snap oring cap that needs adjusting. Viking ram/hammer just screws in and stops where it needs too because its better quality gun.

I can go on about the diff bettween viking and angel, but Ive said enough.

I dont see how it has limited possibilities to fix it. All you need is an oring kit and a tool kit. They are actually easy to fix.

And yes, for 650 for a 03 viking w/ eyes is not a bad deal, esp if you get a tool kit too. I think the reason that AKA guns shoot so good is because they are extremely consistent. They make some of the most consistent regs on the market.

As for the closed vs. open bolt argument. PPl still argue about it to this day. I think there is no difference between the two. As for the automag vs. aka argument. Lets just say, after I got my Viking, my karta emag was out the door. I personally feel the reason for better accuracy of AKA vs. AGD guns is because of recoil, but dont ask me to prove it.

Its kinda funny cause you said LOTS of hype that rivals dye and SP, but only listed their slogan "low pressure experts" and their interview. That is hardly hype that rivals dye and SP. And at the time that vikings and excals were made, they were some of the lowest pressure guns around. We are talking about a gun that is 2 years in terms of production.

[Lohman446]

Its kinda funny cause you said LOTS of hype that rivals dye and SP, but only listed their slogan "low pressure experts" and their interview. That is hardly hype that rivals dye and SP. And at the time that vikings and excals were made, they were some of the lowest pressure guns around. We are talking about a gun that is 2 years in terms of production.

Hype
AKA: Speed of an electro accuracy and range of closed bolt
SP: Seal forward technology

AKA: the low pressure experts
SP: here... or magic box really does do something, we're just not sure what

AKA: Better than an Automag
SP: Better than an Automag

AKA: Our business failures are all SPs fault
SP: we patented that too

I don't know, there seems to be a lot of hype from both of them, Im sure theres more out there from both, or there followers.

[yakitori]

Hype
AKA: Speed of an electro accuracy and range of closed bolt
SP: Seal forward technology

AKA: the low pressure experts
SP: here... or magic box really does do something, we're just not sure what

AKA: Better than an Automag
SP: Better than an Automag

AKA: Our business failures are all SPs fault
SP: we patented that too

I don't know, there seems to be a lot of hype from both of them, Im sure theres more out there from both, or there followers.

source please? 4 "unreliable quotes from an un-noted source" and thats A LOT of hype?

[fullofpaint]

I don't know about hype, If I go to a field and played with an AKA marker, most people would not no what it was(at least where I play) But if I go and play with a DM3/4/5 or any matrix or SP marker, everyone knows what it is

oh and DC rules! Do you guys have any of those left?

[Lohman446]

source please? 4 "unreliable quotes from an un-noted source" and thats A LOT of hype?

AKA marketting - the quote about the speed of an electro and the accuracy of a cocker was the marketting behind the Excalibur

The low pressure experts I would expect there home page

Ill give you unsourced "better than an automag"

And the business failures was an annoyance on another issue... AKA related but not AKA

I hope you dont expect me to source "the low pressure experts". If you deny AKA running this hype you need to pull your head out of the sand

Edit: tell me which ones you actually question and I'll try to source them out tonight And they were given as examples. Remember a lot of SP hype is from SP users, so is a lot of AKA hype.

[magmonkey]

"And the business failures was an annoyance on another issue... AKA related but not AKA"

???? fill me in here

[Lohman446]

"And the business failures was an annoyance on another issue... AKA related but not AKA"

???? fill me in here

Failure was the wrong word...

There seems to be a desire to blame SP for AKA not being able to produce the Viking any longer. Was SP involved in it - sure they were. But they were protecting intellectual property rights that the Viking stepped on. Its not just a matter of the "expanded" patent either. From my understanding of the original filing the markers AKA produced were in violation of the original patent filings. What they did to others who used things different then switches and microswitches (HES sensors, etc.) may be questionable, though I don't see a court that stopped them. AKA essentially made a marker with a total disregard to the legal and intellectual property rights of others, what happened as a result is fully there fault.

But, I have done what I shouldn't have already and steered this away from what it should have been. That is an awesome marker, not to my tastes personally but there is no denying the strengths of this marker. I just don't like the feeling that AKA was an "innocent" victim here. They had there own faults in the problems they had, blaming it elsewhere is convenient, but it is surely not accepting responsibility for there own faults. The name of the milling... well annoyed me and I went into a tangent that had nothing to do with this thread.

The important parts of this post are bolded. I will go back at some point and source anything I have said (or fail to and admit it) earlier, but I am going to try not to continue this debate here. It takes away from the purpose of this thread and was innappropriate of me.

[rkjunior303]

AKA marketting - the quote about the speed of an electro and the accuracy of a cocker was the marketting behind the Excalibur

looking at this, it could be true. the Excal is closed bolt, which utilizes 2 noids moving the internals in opposite. One could assume that this motion could cancel eachother out, making for a smoother marker, which in essence would eliminate kick WHICH would then increase accuracy.

no?

*edit* which is why excal owners say their markers are "smooth as buttah"
*double secret squirrel edit* man, that was a mouthful

[Lohman446]

looking at this, it could be true. the Excal is closed bolt, which utilizes 2 noids moving the internals in opposite. One could assume that this motion could cancel eachother out, making for a smoother marker, which in essence would eliminate kick WHICH would then increase accuracy.

no?

*edit* which is why excal owners say their markers are "smooth as buttah"

In theory... maybe. I thought the spool valve markers I have shot have had very little kick personally... But the mass moving forward and back, and cancelling out the other movements? Doesn't the bolt move in both directions in nearly every marker that has one on each shot?

[rkjunior303]

In theory... maybe. I thought the spool valve markers I have shot have had very little kick personally... But the mass moving forward and back, and cancelling out the other movements? Doesn't the bolt move in both directions in nearly every marker that has one on each shot?

yes, the bolt moves in both. you have to look at the other reciprocating mass within the marker. the hammer. i'm almost positive there are two of them in an excal, moving in opposite of the other (hence the closed bolt-ness of it). In a viking, you have one moving back and forth -- which in theory would generate kick as it was moving back and forth.

in an excal, while one is moving forward, the other is moving the same distance back -- if you have the same amount of mass, moving at the same speed, but in opposite -- that motion would negative itself out.

Does that make sense? (i ramble).