The UnOfficial Devilmag Thread

[Lohman446]

When you are cluttering the "Official" thread which contains updates and new information it's quite ridiculous. You go to check on any updates and instead you find posts asking the same questions over and over and going off topic

Lets say I agree with you here (which I may or may not). Why are people whining about this thread then? Doesn't it solve that issue?

[mandatory]

im behind yop loman 110%. you and gortman have hit my feelings for this issue on the head, its like the same exact e-mails are comming to me as well....im happy that there are people out there like me. As for the rich kiddie comment...check most of our profiles...we are working adults/ college students. If you dont have any facts to base your "rich kiddie" comment on then quit claiming that we are all wining little kids. we are just people following up on investments, relating with others in the sam situation and trying to be positive about the situation...ther are a million negative comments that could have been made but i feel that most of us are being quite civil and friendly...it is the people with the "im cooler/ smarter/ know more peolple in the industry/ im better than you", attitude that brings about negativity and anamosity. We are just trying to "connect" with our purchase, as well as others who have made the same purchase....I also agree that the other thread should be used for pure facts and info, and any other remotly related DM topics can go here....good idea to who ever started this thread. so to anyone who is offended, angered, annoyed by this thread, please let us who havent gotten our product have the only connection to it, these threads and the others in the same situation. Please for our sake, let us "own" our purchase, eventhough we dont have it in the physical world, it is there in the mental. I cant say for everyone else, but when you decide to make a purchase like this, your putting all your eggs on one basket....so you tend to want to keep track of that basket.

[Carazy]

we are just people following up on investments, relating with others in the sam situation and trying to be positive about the situation...

The title of the thread is calling devilmags bs. This is implying that they don't exist, are faulty in some way, or that you are being treated unfairly. While I agree that not hitting deadlines is a bad thing sometimes its just impossible to see all the snags that are going to be hit. Its not just him not hitting deadlines its the people that he is counting on not hitting deadlines also.

What I would like to see happen here is to take the approach that of one of the other custom shops took and that was to just completely ignore all future "when is my gun going to be here" questions. The simple truth is exactly what I posted earlier if you want a completely unique gun then you are going to have to wait for it or make it yourself.

I don't care what your excuse is (you're not rich kid whatever) you should of realized where you were putting your money before you put it there. These things take time.

[Lohman446]

The title of the thread is calling devilmags bs. This is implying that they don't exist, are faulty in some way, or that you are being treated unfairly. While I agree that not hitting deadlines is a bad thing sometimes its just impossible to see all the snags that are going to be hit. Its not just him not hitting deadlines its the people that he is counting on not hitting deadlines also.

What I would like to see happen here is to take the approach that of one of the other custom shops took and that was to just completely ignore all future "when is my gun going to be here" questions. The simple truth is exactly what I posted earlier if you want a completely unique gun then you are going to have to wait for it or make it yourself.

I don't care what your excuse is (you're not rich kid whatever) you should of realized where you were putting your money before you put it there. These things take time.

Had he said it will be here when it will be here then I would never have ordered one on a prepay basis. AGD got away with it on the X-mags because they didn't take cash before they had the marker (I beleive). I asked... I was told a reasonable completion date, and then I paid. Now frankly, anyone who can't follow that line of logic and its implications need not to. But I am not going to discuss this any more. This is not a me try to publically embarass Chris thread. I have stated my opinion on it, the reasons a lot of us had for doing this, the fact that many of you seem to forget that we had estimated completion dates that have gone over four or five times in timeframe past and we have not received markers that we have paid for. I am all for Chris getting these done and getting these situations resolved, but you repeatedly telling me to get over it is not helping my patience or helping Chris any... I run a business, if things go beyond what I have told a customer and then I tell the customer that I am simply ignoring them until its done, well things are going to get out of hand. Its not a reasonable, or a responsible, line to take. I knew where I was putting my money before I put it there.. I knew what I was expecting. We are no longer getting what I was expecting so now I am looking after it. As for the title, this is Devilmag BS.. meaning things that do not help the DM thread any, but we want to discuss.. this is not the Devilmags are BS.

[num15rider]

We can talk about estimated ship times and just about anything halfway related to the devilmag here, so the main thread don't get too clogged up (oops too late).

Like who recently just got their Devilmag? Post pics, review and video if you could.

I'm sorry, I usually don't respond in these flaming threads, but, please don't let your ignorance show by not reading the FIRST post, this isn't to say that DevilMags are BS, it is just to talk about them. The BS implys to the Unofficial part, not the content.

[Duzzy]

This will be my only comment on this thread (hopefully).

I am sure this is going to inspire GADevil to want to make things for you, or take extra time to try and get things done faster...

Why don't you start a thank you thread for him instead? To show you appreciate that he is doing his best, even if his best isn't exactly what you want.

People are generally happier, and more inclined to go the extra mile when they feel appreciated... And gratitude is pretty cheap, it certainly won't cost anyone who ordered anything.

[Lohman446]

I tried that route... and frankly I am still trying. I am understanding of the issues Chris has and the stress here. However, there comes a time where enough is enough. I don't have control over the anno guys - want to give me there number and Ill call them .... This is really not meant to be a public discussion though, some of us are just stating some concerns, for the most part I think we have done so with a reasonable amount of maturity.

This will be my only comment on this thread (hopefully).

I am sure this is going to inspire GADevil to want to make things for you, or take extra time to try and get things done faster...

Why don't you start a thank you thread for him instead? To show you appreciate that he is doing his best, even if his best isn't exactly what you want.

People are generally happier, and more inclined to go the extra mile when they feel appreciated... And gratitude is pretty cheap, it certainly won't cost anyone who ordered anything.

[Duzzy]

I tried that route... and frankly I am still trying.

I haven't seen a "Thank You GADevil" thread yet... I don't know what you do in your personal communications, but the majority of the things I see on this forum are complaints...

I am understanding of the issues Chris has and the stress here.

Good, if you understand it then you should have an easier time accepting that it is the way it is, and most likely nothing anyone says will change it. If you understand the stress don't make it harder on him, it won't help.

However, there comes a time where enough is enough. I don't have control over the anno guys - want to give me there number and Ill call them ....

Enough may be enough, but it is never too late to help, or to hurt. And frankly I don't think that anyone here has been helping really.

This is really not meant to be a public discussion though, some of us are just stating some concerns, for the most part I think we have done so with a reasonable amount of maturity.

Agreed on the maturity point, but if this isn't meant to be public you are doing it on a forum why?

Just because I have to have text, maybe the reason it was pre-pay was so that he would have enough money to get everything done in a timely manner... Or maybe it was so he wouldn't pour thousands into a project and have everyone back out because they'd already spend their money...

[nt2004]

you should have named this the "Official DevilMag waiting support group thread"

we could all hold hands and tell stories to pass the time. Everytime you open the thread, it could play "waiting is the hardest part"

Maybe that would stop all the hating

[MarkM]

This will go nowhere good....and the forums are not down, certainly not as of 5 minutes ago.
Even my renaming of the thread will not help things as people do not read previous posts in what is already a short thread.
So...
Thread Closed.........

*Edit* You can thank one of the participants in this thread, as the thread has now been reopened, be very aware to keep it civil as there will be no second chances.

[Lohman446]

Just because I have to have text, maybe the reason it was pre-pay was so that he would have enough money to get everything done in a timely manner... Or maybe it was so he wouldn't pour thousands into a project and have everyone back out because they'd already spend their money...

Let me say it, as it has not been said. THose who have finished products have expressed nothing but happiness with them. I do understand and appreciate the stress that Chris is under and the time he is investing. I also understand the fact that he probably could not have financed this without prepay (could be wrong) and it was necessary, as well as the need to make sure those who want something and order it also want to pay for it

It was with some trepidation that I expressed the viewpoint I did. Do I think it helps get it done faster? I doubt it. Could it make it slower? I doubt it - Chris comes off as too mature for that.

I expressed my view because it seemed others were getting backed into a corner by not expressing it, because it may not be a positive view. Many of us are alarmed by the increase in timeline after we had timeframes given to us before paying. Had we known of the "it will be done when its done" reality of the issue we may or may not have gone this route. I don't mean to express it as a negative, but I realize its hard not to.

Edit: and thank you Mark for allowing the discussion to continue, assuming it does civilly, and for addressing the name of the thread issue.

[phantomhitman]

have they been without a gun for months? if so why? they should have purchased another gun, borrowed one, or took a break if they had nothing to play with. DONT GAMBLE WITH MONEY YOU DO NOT HAVE aka PREPARE FOR THE WORST
that thread is not for venting either, it is for CHRIS, and him alone, to annouce any new developments in the gun. it is not a status checker, online tracking device, moan and groan, slowly drag it out to name calling thread. chris has an email, and pm, ask all you want there. that thread is so overun with 9 pages of bs and no info because of people whining there.

[Ken]

nice concept but way overpriced and don't hold their value, like the e-mag

[bound for glory]

and you know this how, ken? i had an emag. great shoting gun. not in the same league as my devilmag imho. like i said, i've owned both. what are you basing your oppinion on?

[mandatory]

Again i express my gratitude to loman for speaking on the behalf of myself, as well as others like he stated. I feel the same way as him and have been cornered into the same situation as him, but lets his poast speek for me as to not clog it up in here, so when you hear loman talking about "his" situation, realize that he is speaking for more than himself.