Will ION affect PneuMag?

[yakitori]

To answer your question very little to no impact on the pnuemag. The target groups of the two are completely different

agreed. another note. Why is everyone calling the Ion crap? Is there a reason for it? Can someone please give reasons for calling something crap, other than just saying its crap cause its made by SP.

Its getting ridiculous. I like both the mag and the Ion for what they are, but I dont bash one or the other for thier weaknesses.

[magman007]

id much rather have an ion, it is a better marker in my mind.

First off, it is an electro, you cant deny that fact, it will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, and it will be easier to shoot fast, without rebound.

it has eyes, no chance of chopping. level 10 does break paint still, it just dramatically reduces the chances.

It is a spool valve based marker. no kick, nada. lightning fast with no kick, what more could any one really want?

its even easier to maintain than a mag

it is cheeper

more cost effective

more efficient

lighter

and probably smaller as well.


ive shot the hair, and while it was impressive, id still much rather have an electro



edit: who ever said the mags had a huge following... you make me laugh

[yakitori]

id much rather have an ion, it is a better marker in my mind.

First off, it is an electro, you cant deny that fact, it will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger, and it will be easier to shoot fast, without rebound.

it has eyes, no chance of chopping. level 10 does break paint still, it just dramatically reduces the chances.

It is a spool valve based marker. no kick, nada. lightning fast with no kick, what more could any one really want?

its even easier to maintain than a mag

it is cheeper

more cost effective

more efficient

lighter

and probably smaller as well.


ive shot the hair, and while it was impressive, id still much rather have an electro



edit: who ever said the mags had a huge following... you make me laugh

finally someone puts some reason behind thier opinion. I agree. I used to shoot mags exclusively, but I think the Ion is better than any of the mags Ive owned. Thats my 2 cents.

its also quieter, low pressure, more efficient. That is important to me.

[magman007]

as did i, ive owned every incarnation of the mag

from classic to the sfl e-mag i owned em all

but honestly, they dont cut it any more, not for me atleast

[yakitori]

as did i, ive owned every incarnation of the mag

from classic to the sfl e-mag i owned em all

but honestly, they dont cut it any more, not for me atleast

same here. I personally feel it is has been surpassed in the paintball world. I like them though. I just like them for what they are. It really all depends on your style of play. I just dont see many mags in the tourney scene anymore. Since thats what I play, thats what matters to ME.

But I dont call a gun crap because everyone else does. Its ironic how someone says jumping on the bandwagon, but that is what they are doing by saying the Ion is crap cause others say it.

[Opinions Count!]

Mag=Ugly Junk

Edited for truth. Mags are ugly hunks of metal. Even the XmagXtreme body was ugly beyond belief. They(AGD) should learn to integrate the valve into the gun body instead of the valve they currently have.

[TheTramp]

Sorry that you're such a tool . On the other hand, perhaps you could use yourself to fix your attitude.

Back to the topic....other than Mag vs. Ion posts which have already been done to death, does anyone else have somehting to contribute to the original question?

[chairman_mao]

Edited for truth. Mags are ugly hunks of metal. Even the XmagXtreme body was ugly beyond belief.

It's nice that you have your opinion but using that logic shocker and ions are ugly hunks of metal too. After all they have the same BASIC design (single tube w/ grip frame). If you mean the lack of milling search out the Deadly Wind Bodies

And I'm going to ask for clarification on this statement

They(AGD) should learn to integrate the valve into the gun body instead of the valve they currently have.

Do you mean completely enclose the valve inside of a piece of metal? Because the way it is designed now the valve is "integrated into the gun body". Also this design is a product of form following function if I'm not mistaken. In order to enclose the valve in the body it would require a complete redesign which would for all intens and purposes end it being a mag. But whatever think and say what you want.

[minimag03]

The Ion affects every gun on the market.

[atm743]

Just wondering what peoples thoughts are. If the price of the PneuMag is 200+ why not just get an ION. I wonder if that will give PTP second thoughts about releasing it.

Please don't turn this into a ION bash thread either.

why would you want to buy a ion when the pune is jest like it without cheating modes and batterys???

[yakitori]

why would you want to buy a ion when the pune is jest like it without cheating modes and batterys???

what cheat modes?? Please tell me, I havent found it yet hidden away deep w/ in the board.

[peewee]

Wont hurt my purchasing ..... Patiently waiting the release.

[NoForts4Me]

The Ion affects every gun on the market.

Argh! I get tired of hearing that. I don't know how many times I've posted in threads that Palmer, CCI, Sterling, etc. aren't affected by the ION. I also doubt DMC's, Angels, [insert other high end $1500 marker here] are affected very much at all either. Now, I have nothing against the ION, and think it has definately placed itself well in the market due to price, performance, and brand recognition, but it is probably hurting sales of lower end guns or guns close to its price range a lot more than high end or specialty markers. I don't have ANY numbers to back this up, but I just don't see someone that is going to purchase a Blazer or Phantom or DMC going "Oh, well, since the ION has been released, why would I want one of those."

[ApexAZ]

To answer your question very little to no impact on the pnuemag. The target groups of the two are completely different

That's not true because this is exactly why I asked. I would personally rather have the Pneu, but if it's going to be 2 years away, I can get an ION for now while I save up for a top-end marker. BUT I already have a mag just sitting here waiting for the upgrade. If I didn't have a gun at all I'd be really torn about whether or not I should just get an ION instead of spending $350 for a ULE Mag and then another $200+ for the trigger mod.

Someone else brought up this very point which I was kind of driving towards. A fast complete gun for $300 or a PneuMag frame upgrade for either the same or slightly lower price?

This wasn't meant to be a vs. thread at all (yes I knew it would probably escalate to that). I just wonder if it had an impact on the pneumag. So in a nutshell, aside from the brass eagle version, is PTP going forward with this thing for the mag or not?

[yakitori]

Im sure the pneumag frame will sell. It wont do as good as it wouldve done if they released it a year ago when everyone was wanting it. Now that the bullcrap has played out with it as far as DW not making it and the rights going to PTP to make it, its taken a long time. I remember hearing this phrase a lot....."only about 6-7 months...Then ...."maybe by christmas".....Then " aw crap DW isnt making it now".....Then..."PTP is making it now".....Then " Brass eagle is involved now".....they just wasted too much freakin time and didnt market the damn frame fast enough. That will hurt their sales.

It probably wont effect the sales of pneumag frames much because the target consumer is not the same as the target consumer for the Ion. The ion IMO was geared more toward entry level tournament or even more experienced tourney players that cant afford to buy the 1500 DMC. It just so happens that many rec players are buying them too.

I think the Pneumag frame and mags in general are more geared toward rec players rather than tourney players. Does that mean that tourney players cant buy them? no. There may be some, but I dont think there will be this HUGE surge of pneumags on the tourney fields when the frame gets released.

Thats my take on it.