Marketing a high end marker without ramping?

[Lohman446]

Let me state some theoreticals, say I devised an ideal marker tomorrow, and decided to market it... it had all the features you could want but one, for example

1) It weighed like 1.5 lbs
2) It had awesome efficiency - a case and a half or more out of a 45/45
3) It had no noticeable kick
4) It had a perfectly effective anti-chop system
Whatever else... its missing one thing

BUT
It has no ramping, it has no support for ramping or any enhanced firing mode. It is strictly semi-only, you cannot readily write code to it, nor can you "chip it". Could it still compete in the high end market? How much do you think this lack of rampign would hurt its sales?

I ask this, because we, or the manufacturers, are in a dangerous civil (and I beleive criminal) negligence area with the markers that are produced now. I want to know, would the lack of this unapproved mode (by ASTM) hinder sales? How much would it hinder sales?

[Conversekidz]

well as long as the marker could be capped at 15, i would totally be down for buying one.

I have wicked fast fingers thanks to playing so many years with the heavy trigger of a mag, that ramping boards don't help me out all that much other than taking away the skill that I have worked so hard at getting.

[Blazestorm]

Let me state some theoreticals, say I devised an ideal marker tomorrow, and decided to market it... it had all the features you could want but one, for example

1) It weighed like 1.5 lbs
2) It had awesome efficiency - a case and a half or more out of a 45/45
3) It had no noticeable kick
4) It had a perfectly effective anti-chop system
Whatever else... its missing one thing

BUT
It has no ramping, it has no support for ramping or any enhanced firing mode. It is strictly semi-only, you cannot readily write code to it, nor can you "chip it". Could it still compete in the high end market? How much do you think this lack of rampign would hurt its sales?

I ask this, because we, or the manufacturers, are in a dangerous civil (and I beleive criminal) negligence area with the markers that are produced now. I want to know, would the lack of this unapproved mode (by ASTM) hinder sales? How much would it hinder sales?

Yes, then I'd mod it and put a predator2 board inside. :)

You realize that no gun comes with ramping that is intentionally meant to be used in malicious over-firing. Ion is capped at 17, 2 more than the "limit", Intimidators have PSP Ramping and NXL Full Auto, They can be capped and uncapped. They're intended to be used in the NXL and PSP. DM4's and 5's come stock with a semi-auto chip, nothing else. Ego's come with NPPL, PSP, NXL modes etc. similar to the intimidator, but all of those modes are capped at 15, and cannot be uncapped.

There is not a single gun I can think of that has a mode intended to be used outside of certain leagues and be illegal. The Ion's "Rebound" mode is an adjustable version of the PSPS mode.

So I don't see what you're trying to get at, if it really was all of those things, I'd get it, and mod it so I could use it in PSP if I needed.

well as long as the marker could be capped at 15, i would totally be down for buying one.

I have wicked fast fingers thanks to playing so many years with the heavy trigger of a mag, that ramping boards don't help me out all that much other than taking away the skill that I have worked so hard at getting.

I doubt you're going over 15. :)

[Lohman446]

So I don't see what you're trying to get at, if it really was all of those things, I'd get it, and mod it so I could use it in PSP if I needed.

What if I made it so that the bolt had to see the correct board in it to fire, it was not easily copiable, and you simply could not (for whatever technological reasons) mod the thing to ramp... no new boards, nothing of that sort - I realize that this is asking you to take a lot into consideration, but lets say I found a way to do it.

Why? Because I, in producing this theoretical gun, feel that I expose myself to unacceptable criminal and civil negligence risks if one of these is "readily modified" to fire in a mode not approved by the ASTM. IE strict semi-auto only mode

Would it then effect sales, would it keep people from buying it. Its competetively priced, its has all these awesome features, but you simply cannot make it ramp. Does it effect sales?

[68magOwner]

i wouldnt shoot it becaue of the 15bps ramping standards at tourenys i play in.

[RRfireblade]

Think you just need to look at the E/Xmag for your answer.

[warbeak2099]

Yea but it doesn't have great gas efficiency, it isn't 1.5 pounds (nor could it ever be under 2lbs even with ule components), and you can put a predator 2 w/ AFA code in an e/xmag.

[Enemy]

if you could pull all that off and have a large enough trigger like the dms then yes i would buy it!!

[Chronobreak]

spyderframes classic mag?

i heard(dont yell at me if tis wrong) that spydermags get better efficency(shoot into tank deeper) than other mags..not sure if that is ebcause of the ult or what..

ide say a classic spyder-mag could easily fit the listed criteria.

there wouldnt be a HUGE demand for it ofcourse but you could probly sell a few

as for the ASTM..this has been ignored for years now,arent all guns suppose to be capped at 13..LEGAL semi, as well as triggers that arent soo sensitve they go off when you jerk the gun etc.

ive seen many guns setup illegaly like taht allowed for tourneys and debounce/bounce w/e modes that arent detected.

i agree something will likely happen soon..these rof are rediculous ex to anyone not decked out in tons of padding that isnt a regular player.

the problem is mainly when the fast guns enter the rec scene and somone takes 12~ or so balls...and in certain areas to younger people or under weird or unnatural circumstances could be VERY harmfull.(i notice these things as a ref)

i would say its not long before astm standards are changed,the current p-ball rules/regulations change, or ASTM standards are finally enforced

[Conversekidz]

So I don't see what you're trying to get at, if it really was all of those things, I'd get it, and mod it so I could use it in PSP if I needed.



I doubt you're going over 15. :)

I'll gladly put money on it that i'm over 15.

[yakitori]

I would prolly buy it if it looked nice and shot well.

It also depends on how much it would cost. If it was similar in price to other high end guns that would have a larger variety of options as far as software goes. Then I would opt to buy something else.

not cause I use ramping, but because If I played in PSP or NXL I would want to have those features. If you didnt offer them, then I would buy something that did.

You wouldnt be able to make a gun like that anyway. Cause if you did make the bolt so that it wouldnt work w/o your nonramp software, there would be an aftermarket bolt that would make the gun capable of doing it. So it would be a waste of time on your behalf.

[gc82000]

1) It weighed like 1.5 lbs
2) It had awesome efficiency - a case and a half or more out of a 45/45
3) It had no noticeable kick
4) It had a perfectly effective anti-chop system

5) 30+ bps capablity
6) Battery efficient or rechargable battery
7) Easy to use menu
8) many different colors/fades/designs to choose from as well as the ability to customize
9) Easy adjustible trigger
10) Friendly customer service with global teching services so as to cut down on shipping.
11) Under 1k

If it had these then I would get it. But I doubt this would ever come out.

[mark_1791]

5) 30+ bps capablity
6) Battery efficient or rechargable battery
7) Easy to use menu
8) many different colors/fades/designs to choose from as well as the ability to customize
9) Easy adjustible trigger
10) Friendly customer service with global teching services so as to cut down on shipping.
11) Under 1k

If it had these then I would get it. But I doubt this would ever come out.

12) RELIABLE, easy maintenance

[Glickman]

30bps?


for what? overcompensation?


except for that an effiency, id say that discribes a shocker pretty well


plus no stock ramping

[Kevmaster]

Think you just need to look at the E/Xmag for your answer.

so the answer is no....