BPS challenge have a vid

[minimag03]

I can tell you that it isn't 15 bps for 5 seconds just by watching it. I do have to give you credit for being able to shoot that fast on a semi Ion with stock trigger.

[yakitori]

^Right, the point is that it is nearly impossible to pull 15bps in a game setting, and those kids that say that they "shoot 15-20bps no problem" just sound silly to people who know what is realistic.

To get a gun to shoot that fast you have to probably hold the gun in a certain way and/or do some wacky trigger pull that would be ineffective/inaccurate and get you shot if you tried to use it in a game.
I did hear that Bob long was able to pull 15 but his gun was probably bouncing haha.

Your average of 13 is pretty respectable, good job yak!

you say that like the analysis is complete. Its only been done by one person. And all it was was a statement. If you read my posts above, you would understand why a time increment of 1 second is not a good timing frame when you are taking Balls Per SECOND.

I still think that I was closer to 14 than 13. But ya, Im not disappointed at all.

You think thats funny, Jim Drew told me in an email that he can shoot 18-20 legally. I think maybe he meant peaking.

I actaully think that is what most ppl mean when they say they can shoot this or that many balls per second.

[hitech]

If you want to step up the ROF a little, use manike's raking technique. Rake all the way down to the "hook" at the bottom of the trigger and back up. That gives you one extra shot per rake cycle.

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[yakitori]

ya, but then it takes the extra time to travel your finger over that distance. Unless I had a trigger w/ multiple humps in it, like say 4 humps, then I would just have to practice forever again. Trust me, Ive practiced alot. So much it gets on my wifes nerves hearing the trigger click all the time.

from the graph that you provided, I actually counted 71 peaks over a 5 second period. That was 71/5 = 14.2 over 5 seconds.

Everyone else count and post what you come up w/.

And Im sure that you can tell it wasnt 15bps by watching the vid. You can tell the differnce between 1 bps when its 14 or 15? Damn if you can, youre good.

[Insaneman1731]

What exactly do you want it like Goldwave'd? I will do it for "compsention". I think thats money. Lol.

[68magOwner]

2nd one worked for me, i believe it was stated that raking was not allowed (which you did) also, didnt sound terribly fast, but, could jsut be the vid

[Insaneman1731]

I can Goldwave..PM me...

AIM = Insaneman1731

[yakitori]

What exactly do you want it like Goldwave'd? I will do it for "compsention". I think thats money. Lol.

lol. Its all good man. Not a big deal. I think Ive done enough. I dont pay up unless I get payed. .

But the data has to be real. If you decide to do it, and its not 15bps, then no pay for me or you.

I think it is safe to say that I was bested on this one. I came close, and I did it in only one attempt w/ an Ion and a stock trigger.

I may not have the fastest fingers around, but like I said, Im a front guy. I like to run, dive, and snap.

Honestly I dont really shoot that fast on the field. I only use what I need when I need it. I like to focus more on my moves than shooting fast.

But hey, it was fun to say the least. I do have a headache though from all that work today. .

What did everyone else count in the wave pic that was posted on page one. The red arrows at the top represents 5 seconds. I counted the peaks between them and divided by 5.

Anyone care to count?

[rx2]

I will say again - one second is one second, period. 5 instances of 1 second, or 50 instances of .1 second still eqauls one second. We are talking about sustained bps, NOT minimum time between two consecutive shots. As such, the result will still be the same NO MATTER WHAT MINIMUM INCREMENT IS USED. The only way anything would change would be if I cut off a peak, and discounted it, WHICH CLEARY DID NOT HAPPEN. When judging shots per second, it is illogical to say that a one second increment is inaccurate, when we are talking about measuring in shots per increment of one second. Furthermore, I would have to have dropped a total of 6 shots from the analysis in order to have miscalculated by the 1.2 shots per second needed to put you at 15. As for the two extra that you counted, I noted that there are a couple of erroneous peaks that aren't actual shots, and this is only evident when you scrub over it with the transport of your audio console, something that you cannot do with a mere .jpg...

I don't mean to sound hostile. It just seems like there are some sour grapes here, and you are now looking for ways to pick apart a sound analysis. If you would like, I could do it again using free selection, whereby the incremement would be a single sample. Being as I analyzed at 44100 Hz, the resultant increment would be 1/44100th of a second. Of course, you will still get the same exact result.

Oh well. I guess that we have come to a point where we not only need a video to prove that someone pulled the trigger, but another video of someone doing the analysis to prove that they aren't pulling a fast one.

In any case, in addition to using a faster board, perhaps you might want to try running around to get the blood flowing, and wiggling your hands in really warm water before your next attempt. That will get the adrenaline flowing, and also get your joints loose. I used to do this before recording in order to maintain utmost speed and fluidity. Seriously.

[yakitori]

2nd one worked for me, i believe it was stated that raking was not allowed (which you did) also, didnt sound terribly fast, but, could jsut be the vid

no actually in the other thread I said that I choose the trigger technique. I dont think I can walk that fast. Ive even said so in other posts, on numerous occasions.

[Lohman446]

I do need to say, that you came closer then I ever expected you too...

[Insaneman1731]

IM me. And send me the clip.

[Insaneman1731]

I got a clip. Give me a little time.

[yakitori]

I will say again - one second is one second, period. 5 instances of 1 second, or 50 instances of .1 second still eqauls one second. We are talking about sustained bps, NOT minimum time between two consecutive shots. As such, the result will still be the same NO MATTER WHAT MINIMUM INCREMENT IS USED. The only way anything would change would be if I cut off a peak, and discounted it, WHICH CLEARY DID NOT HAPPEN. When judging shots per second, it is illogical to say that a one second increment is inaccurate, when we are talking about measuring in shots per increment of one second. Furthermore, I would have to have dropped a total of 6 shots from the analysis in order to have miscalculated by the 1.2 shots per second needed to put you at 15.

I don't mean to sound hostile. It just seems like there are some sour grapes here, and you are now looking for ways to pick apart a sound analysis. If you would like, I could do it again using free selection, whereby the incremement would be a single sample. Being as I analyzed at 44100 Hz, the resultant increment would be 1/44100th of a second. Of course, you will still get the same exact result.

Oh well. I guess that we have come to a point where we not only need a video to prove that someone pulled the trigger, but another video of someone doing the analysis to prove that they aren't pulling a fast one.

If you used the fastest frame of peaks in the vid, and selected from peak to peak, then the time increments may not matter, but the way you stated it in the first post was that you set it to 5 seconds and moved the "5 second frame" around and took times. It would make a differnce of possibly +-1bps if you took the fastest grouping of balls.

I know 5 seconds is 5 seconds, Im not that dumb. Im saying that if the increment was lower that the time frame could possibly include one peak that wouldve otherwise been counted as .8 or whatever.

If you disagree, are you telling me that your analysis has a margin of error of 0.00000 bps?

I didnt mean to sound like you are pulling a fast one on me. I aplogize if you took it that way. I just went through a lot of trouble trying to get this vid put up and I was hoping that I might have done it. You have been very helpful in this and volunteering your work to analyze the sound clip, and for that you have my praise and thanks.

[Insaneman1731]

I can't save it..meaning I can't do it. Lol, I think that might be 15 actually at a point.