Serious Thoughts of Modern Paintball - Please Give Some Feedback

[hobbesTZ]

Lets all forget about all the hypothetically theoretical topics and love paintball for what it is, whatever we make it

[ApexAZ]

I think they need to stop bending/reforming the rules so much.

If PSP or whatever keeps allowing things to change then why would the marker manufacturers have any reason not to continue adding more and more cheating features?

Someone above had it right, the leagues don't dictate the rules, the gun makers do. It's backwards.

As far as punishment goes. Make it strict. Very strict. If someone gets caught cheating, the whole team needs to pay a huge penalty for it imo. This would encourage teams to prevent cheating from their members. It gets a little more complicated though. What cheats deserve which penalty? A semi-innocent cheat like playing on after being hit... But how can you really determine if the player really knew if he was hit or not? Bleh. Just figure the rules out and stick to them.

[Crazy]

I guess that's a fine punishment, if it works. I just don't think that Dynasty or any other pro team is going to stop trying to cheat because of it. Where did I suggest fining paintball teams? Can you find that for me, please?

A team needs to truly be a team. None of this WDP Amalgam Arsenal crap...and teams need to know about their teammates.

What do I think the best solution is? Have Dynasty, XSV, Strange, etc. all stand up and denounce cheating, and then make a pact not to cheat again.

What do I think the realistic situation will be? Nothing will happen because these guys want to win at all costs. Chuck Hendsh's rule sounds good, but it's not going to do anything to stop the appeal or glamour of cheating that has been cultivated by today's pro teams.

Fining is a large part of other sports, and when you start talking about other sports it brings fining into the picture. Sorry to burst your bubble, but cheating is nothing new. And it does not just happen at the pro level. D3-Pro, players will do what they can at all costs to win, if it takes sliding off a knee hit on the break, so be it. The fact is that cheating is part of paintball. Stopping it completely is a ridiculous idea as it will never happen. It's just like the idea of communism, it looks good on paper but will never work. The best way to stop cheating is to create better ways of catching it. The NPPL and PSP are on their way with the NPPL's robot and the PACT timers that the PSP is using.

[Jotsy]

with regards to wiping, i think it'd be a good idea to award ppl for not cheating, and penalize them (by points) if they do (this would only work for actually tournaments where ppl actually care abt points though)

for example, lets say a game is won on points. calling yourself out (ie walking off without waiting for a marshall to pull you off) should earn the team 5 points. Now i haven't really thought this through thoroughly, and theres prob some angle or scenario where this causes a problem, but basically, the idea is that honorable play should be awarded...

[Lohman446]

with regards to wiping, i think it'd be a good idea to award ppl for not cheating, and penalize them (by points) if they do (this would only work for actually tournaments where ppl actually care abt points though)

for example, lets say a game is won on points. calling yourself out (ie walking off without waiting for a marshall to pull you off) should earn the team 5 points. Now i haven't really thought this through thoroughly, and theres prob some angle or scenario where this causes a problem, but basically, the idea is that honorable play should be awarded...

If you are going to give me five points for calling myself out, and my team needs 25 points near the end to mathematically eliminate another you are going to hear "GO" "Out" "out" "out" "out "out"... we'll take our 25 points and not worry about teh game.

[Jotsy]

heh, well i did say i haven't really thought it through.... mebe a win can be woprth 30 points... so if the whole team calls themselves out, then they still lose overall... but the points can be put used for league standings an stuff.....

from this point on, i go into my own little world and start coming up with my own rules... if you thinks this is childish, feel free to just ignore me

ooor the game could be decided by the differences in points...

say for example, a game ends with the scores 50-25... so there's a 25 pt difference. So in terms of league points, the winning team goes up by 25 and the losing team goes down by 25....

we could also make it that the total score of the winning team = 20 + (10x no. of players left)

so if a team just calls themselves out, the scores would be (for a 5 man team) 70-25 (45pt difference).

the closest game would be if a team of wipers won over a team of honest players and the game went all the way to a 1 on 1 standoff... the score would be 30-25 (5 pt difference)

[Lohman446]

Don't let issues get you down with one idea, the purpose of floating ideas is to get the strongest parts of your ideas, along with the strongest parts of other ideas, and come up with a great idea.