Creed of the Good Paintballer

[Jaan]

that's kind of extreme as much as those type of players bother me.

That's reality. Cheating only gets you so far, at some point you have to develop actual skills, or you'll fail. If you cheat in life, no matter what it is, then you're only cheating yourself. Yeah, I know it's cliche', but it's true lol. Once you're in the real world nobody will pay you thousands and thousands of dollars a year for pretending to have skills.

[etjoyride]

Im w/ teuf on this one. You guys play paintball like old foggies. Not that I use any of the 'agg' terms as you describe, but I know what they mean, and I dont hate on ppl that use them. Look at all the slang in skateboarding and bmx, etc. Stoked. Right on. aaariaght. Get over it.

Get over the ramping rule. Its getting old. You guys are still whining about a rule established quite some time ago. wah wah wahhhhh

LOL, playing paintball likes its still 1992. Thats what everyone pretends paintball should be. Get passed it guys. Paintball is not the same as it used to be. Its like a bunch of old guys griping that motocross has turned into freestyle, and OMG, thats not what dirtbiking was meant to be.

I agree with Yakitori on this one, just because i don't use all of the "cool" paintball terms doesn't mean i think everyone that does is ruining the sport. THere are still people that play the old school way, and then the rest play the way that is widely accepted today, if you don't like the way paintball is played now, find some people that agree with you and play by your own set of rules.
And just for the record, i agree with all of the stuff about playing honest and fair, but if some people don't then there the ones that have to live with themselves, knowing that they cheat to win.

[MadPSIence]

Once again if non-cheating is considered old-school then the sport is in a lot of trouble.

[bound for glory]

i don't cheat. and at 37, i doubt i'll start. but i have no problem empting on a wiper. you want to ruin my day, you'll remember it all week long. really, theres no point in posts like this. too many cheaters try to justify their scumbag mode of play.

[KRAKMT]

Exactly Army!

Why play if you are just going to cheat! Why spend a grand to travel to a tourney to play and then have it decided by he who cheats the best. It is cheating anyway you slice it, whether a ref caught you or not. You won nothing. You lost selfrespect and dignity. Everyone has a line at which they will cross. In my opinion if your line is that low- I don't trust you around my gear or my friends.

Teuf, fantasize for a moment if you will::::

$1,000,000 on the line, winner take all. You shoot me and I wipe. I shoot you and you wipe. We both stand up and empty all our pods at each other, then wipe it all off at the same time.

Are you telling me that the winner of the million dollars should be the first to clean himself off? This is good? Why play if you don't follow the rules? Why have rules? If wiping is OK, then full auto at 400fps is OK, right? Where do you draw the line at NOT following the rules?

I'll bet it's when they cheat and win against you.

In your basketball, pushing off is "part of the game". But what about when you are going for the game winning 3 pointer at the buzzer for the world championship, and I push you...being "part of the game", you should accept that my cheating lost you the game...right?

Hey, why play in the first place! Let's all meet at the field, get our gear ready, then go home declaring each other the winner because you guys cheated...or we cheated...or what?

Are we still fantasizing, or is this the only way you have to win? I hate cheaters. When one cheats/wipes against me, then I have no problem bonus balling the hell out of them, since they apparantly prefer dishonest and poor sportsmanship. Heck, I'll shoot at them until they leave the tapeline.

Play honest, play straight, or why bother?


(Oh yeah...#2 CIF in Diving, '77-'78)

[Chipper]

Teuf, fantasize for a moment if you will::::

$1,000,000 on the line, winner take all. You shoot me and I wipe. I shoot you and you wipe. We both stand up and empty all our pods at each other, then wipe it all off at the same time.

Are you telling me that the winner of the million dollars should be the first to clean himself off? This is good? Why play if you don't follow the rules? Why have rules? If wiping is OK, then full auto at 400fps is OK, right? Where do you draw the line at NOT following the rules?

I DELETED SOME BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT ABOVE MY POST

Now, I really don't want to take sides in this but......

How often are you going to play for that kind of prize? What are the chances of that situation? How would a ref not see you? To many what ifs.

Basketball, yes, pushing is part of the sport. I HAVE been in that kind of situation, and I was pushed. I didn't make it, I just got irritated. But, I realized that people don't always play by the rules and take way to much pride in winning, even if it is by cheating.

People love to win. It's natural. So we do anything in our power to win. Sure, I think cheating in paintball is immoral and wrong, but I know you have been hit by a paintball and you didn't notice, or a ref didn't notice. I know I have. Is that bad?

Cheating is part of any sport. Look at baseball, steroids are running rampant. Football, same issue. Basketball too, and the fact that they are always making fouls. Hell, in the business world, people WILL cheat you out of your money.

Cheating is wrong, but it is part of live because we are ignorant humans. We need to get over it.

[KRAKMT]

That is justifications and acceptance. People cheat everyday- I know I just left a prosecuting attorney job. Criminals are cheaters- don't want to follow the rules. Do we change the rules or the behavior? Society (and paintball) says its wrong to cheat. Can't rationalize it. No paintball permits wiping- just as speeding it is not but people do it and then cry about the consequences.
It's not a refs fault for not catching cheating- it is your fault for cheating. Psychology has a term for that- external locus of control and it is present more often in adolescence.

Cheating is part of any sport. Look at baseball, steroids are running rampant. Football, same issue. Basketball too, and the fact that they are always making fouls. Hell, in the business world, people WILL cheat you out of your money.

Cheating is wrong, but it is part of live because we are ignorant humans. We need to get over it.

[NoForts4Me]

Cheating is wrong, but it is part of live because we are ignorant humans. We need to get over it.

No, we don't. More people need this:

n. 1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.

I was playing in a tournament many years ago, and one of my teammates was shot on the bottom of his foot. He immediately stopped, and called a ref over to look at the sole of his shoe, and the ref called him out. Now that's playing the game right. I don't care if it was 1993, that is the way to play the game, even today.

Every time I step on the field, I play to win. If I don't, while I may be dissapointed, I am not going to stoop to cheating just to win. Cheating just makes victory hollow. Anyone who cheats playing rec-ball really has issues, in my book. People who criticize others who don't cheat (in Paintball or life) also needs to take a hard look at themselves.

I see many people equate wiping with holding in football, or a push off in basketball. But I tend to think of it as more of a taboo foul/cheat like corking a bat, or a crack-back block. Because of the nature of paintball, ONE person wiping can completely change a game, or determine the outcome, especially when you talking about teams that are 5v5 or 3v3. I just can't see how someone can do that and feel good about it after the game is over.

[Jonno06]

Shoot them faster than they can wipe, eventually they will get the idea .

^^ :rofl:


and by the way, i have plenty of bonus balls for anyone who thinks cheating is part of the game. and oh yea, it'll be from my marker thats about 6 years old.

[barrel break]

What you got against pink?
Overall, I would keep maybe 1/3 of that list.

[A-5 outcast]

Please add your own.

I am an athele, not a "balla",
I am not agg,
I own a paintball marker, not a "gat",
Louis Vuitton and Gucci were made for rich old people in bollywood,
Not paintball players,
I don't care for hype, I care for what works,
Pink is for ballerina's, not paintball guns or apparel,
My marker is not agg, sick, or l337,
I think it's clean, quick and effective,
For every one time I pull my trigger,
One time, a ball shall exit the breech,
I wipe the sweat off my brow, not the paint off my shirt,
I can't pull 20bps, and neither can you,
I play for fun, not for image,
I play by an honor system, not by a win system
All I've cheated on, was Doom for PC.

also posted on PBN by myself... but those idiots probably can't come up with anything that doesn't end in !!!111one"

i fully agree, its good to here that some ppl still play out of honor and for fun, not like those a-holes at tippmann forums............

[A-5 outcast]

i don't cheat. and at 37, i doubt i'll start. but i have no problem empting on a wiper. you want to ruin my day, you'll remember it all week long. really, theres no point in posts like this. too many cheaters try to justify their scumbag mode of play.

i hosed down a wiper with my a5(no insults please) i got "sniper" set up , flatline , stock , .....responsive trigger, i shot him 38 times

[Linkwarner]

I hate playing with cheaters, you earned your elimation, you should get it, not have someone who you just shot, turn around and shoot you. That takes away all the skill of the game. If you wipe you suck. period

[SCpoloRicker]

i hosed down a wiper with my a5(no insults please) i got "sniper" set up , flatline , stock , .....responsive trigger, i shot him 38 times

Oh fine. No insults.

/38?!?

[Slimm Jimm]

If playing ball in the Nineties is playing honest, (not wiping, playing on, appreciating the refs), then obviously i'm stuck in some kind of time warp. that is how paintball was introduced to me, and that is how i continue to play. I have played in tournaments where money is the prize, not much money, but it still takes some of the sting off of the expenses for entry, paint, and housing. I know the feeling and still played with integrity.

I have made it onto an excellent team without idolizing and imitating "pro" teams just because they are pro. I may play NPPL style ball only, but I still consider myself an athlete. I go about "training" different than most other serious teams do. The format of paintball does not dictate whether or not how athletic someone is, someone's athleticism is determined by their abilities and their willingness to learn.

One thing that i have loved about paintball from the outset is that, while we do have "Professional" Paintball Celebrities, we also have local paintball celebrities that are looked up to and are able to be reached talked to. I a couple of my first years playing tournaments in awe of a local team here. Granted that the team had been to some big events, but still was able to see and speak, and learn from them. I have also developed a love for the game that is solidly anchored in the fact that it is still rooted in honor, and here at my home field, i have no problem using a few extra balls to instill a sense of honor in a young up and coming gun.

I owe my current life to this game, and i play for the fun of the game.