Doubt is creeping into my mind.

[dahoeb]

You can't go wrong with the Proto now, look at those prices.

he said he doesn't want a proto or dm4/5, he wants a viking or an angel. let it go.

[Southparkrocks]

While the viking doesn't have the greatest resale anymore, all angels have horrible resale, if you ever want a new gun it's gonna be a ***** to sell or trade it.

[WARPED1]

he said he doesn't want a proto or dm4/5, he wants a viking or an angel. let it go.

Oh, I missed that, ok then. Go WDP!







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[Conversekidz]

A true 23 bps will really help you, wait no. You will never shoot that fast legally. efficency on protos really isn't that bad. You get 1200ish on a 68/45 fill which is about standard. Vikings dont get 2400 on a 68/45. Why does it matter so much anyways. Most decent fields have pushbutton fill stations which take about 1 second for you to fill.

funny on my field its allowed, so yes 23 does help.


Yes that is pretty good with the proto, but when the viking will get twice the shots on the same fill it does give you an advantage when you can only get 3k fills (such as the field I play at).

So unless you know my playing style, or where I play you really say an statement like you did.



Honestly get the viking, get it with either a pandora or tadao board an you will be set.

[Conversekidz]

While the viking doesn't have the greatest resale anymore, all angels have horrible resale, if you ever want a new gun it's gonna be a ***** to sell or trade it.

actually 04 vikings are going for almost the same price as new.

[Torbo]

get it, if you dont like it trade it. its not that hard. Its not like youre bound to keep the gun for ever if you dont like it.

[JimmyBeam]

if i had to make the decision id go with the Viking in a heartbeat

[cdacda13]

Well, after argueing with myself, i bought something else.

a Red A4 Fly, is my new baby.

[WARPED1]

Well, after argueing with myself, i bought something else.

a Red A4 Fly, is my new baby.

Good choice.

[Sparta]

Don't forget about the new Defiant 2's. They are only 695 from just about anywhere that has them, and they have the same board as new Alias Timmy's - but without the LCD. You can't really upgrade the reg (it's reverse threaded), but it's a REALLY great reg to begin with.

[tony3]

funny on my field its allowed, so yes 23 does help.
Yes that is pretty good with the proto, but when the viking will get twice the shots on the same fill it does give you an advantage when you can only get 3k fills (such as the field I play at).
So unless you know my playing style, or where I play you really say an statement like you did.
Honestly get the viking, get it with either a pandora or tadao board an you will be set.

So your field allows uncapped ramping or whatever firing mode you want? That sounds quite safe to me. I don't even think you realize how fast 23bps really is, hell I know I run my gun is psp ramping mode at 15bps and that is pretty damn fast. I can almost guarentee you aren't shooting 23bps normal even with ramping modes. How much paint do you shoot in a day? Shooting 23 bps you will shot a bag of 500 is 21 seconds. So a case of paint lasts you 84 seconds in theory? Sorry I don't know you style of play because it sounds frankly like you are lying unless you play outlaw ball which is pretty unsafe if you allow people to shoot 23 bps.

[magman007]

oh gosh...."it is physically impossible that it has less kick, blablabla". whatever

i've never shot a dm4/5 so i'm not gonna comment on their recoil, but i have shot most other markers, mags, angels, timmies, what have you, and the viking takes the cake in every case. its got less recoil than any of those markers, is more efficient and more accurate (due to less kick, not the gnomes).
before you go saying a spool valve has less kick, blablabla, think about this; a mag has one significant moving object, the bolt. now we all know the bolt is small and is light, but we also know that mags (more notably, ule mags in my experience) have more kick than quite a few markers. a viking has a lot more parts moving back and forth inside than a mag but still less kick...odd isn't it? but its true for my mags.

maybe its the weight, which is what i think. a lighter marker isn't gonna be quite as stable as heavier one. my old all steel mag had little noticeble recoil i remember. but when i got my xmag i was suprised at that kick. if you have a steel barrel, that will also make a difference.

and if the marker is longer, again, you'll probably have a little less noticeable kick.

so just think about the setup of the marker before you go off and start a flame war saying this has less recoil than this or that marker.

and to answer this thread: i was thinking about getting an angel before the viking, but i decided to go ahead and give the viking a chance. this has been the best purchase in paintball i've made yet. its thoroughly exceeded all my expectations in every categorie. people that own vikings show that they've got a style and class of their own and aren't afraid to be different, so that just gives it even more points. sure its ugly as sin, but once you get out there and start hammering on that trigger, the milling on your marker isn't gonna win the game for you. plus you can just get it annoed or milled later if you want. then you'll truly have a unique marker, you won't just be the run of the mill angel or dm4 totin player that we've all seen before. plus, you can always sell your viking and get an angel if you don't like it, but if you pass up the chance to get a viking, you may not ever get another chance at using one. theres good reasons that viking have high resale values and are in high demand, its cause they have outstanding performance. they probably have some of the best bang for the buck. at dbnpaintball.com you can get used vikings for 650-750. i bought my brand new 04' from there, with pandora and eyes for 750, they're definatly not 1500....

buddy, one word. Pressure. mags kick or have "barrel rise" due to pressure, higher pressure being released behind the ball that has to expand and a high rate to propel the ball down the barrel. every marker kicks, due to this pressure being released behind the ball. also the way the pressure is distributed.

now look, the matrix and the mag, baisically distribute the air in the same method, through the bolt the whole way. but the mag does it at a much higher pressure, even with lvl 10. where as the trix releases a lower pressure blast of air, Also consider how violently the bolt must push forewards, in what speed, to over come the spring holding it back.

ram driven markers kick as well, due to their opperation, and the release of the air. you understand now?

[Conversekidz]

So your field allows uncapped ramping or whatever firing mode you want? That sounds quite safe to me. I don't even think you realize how fast 23bps really is, hell I know I run my gun is psp ramping mode at 15bps and that is pretty damn fast. I can almost guarentee you aren't shooting 23bps normal even with ramping modes. How much paint do you shoot in a day? Shooting 23 bps you will shot a bag of 500 is 21 seconds. So a case of paint lasts you 84 seconds in theory? Sorry I don't know you style of play because it sounds frankly like you are lying unless you play outlaw ball which is pretty unsafe if you allow people to shoot 23 bps.

normal day of play for me is 2-3 cases in a day.
And yes I know how fast it is, and what makes 23 bps unsafe compared to 15? Its not like the gun goes off and gets stuck firing.

the fields rule is that you are not allowed to shoot a full auto, but uncapped ramping is allowed (yes its a stupid rule, but thats the fields rule, so I play with it).

The field is a woodsball field, its not like we are shooting 23 in close quarters like you would on an airball field.

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the field. Its American Canyon, its in American Canyon and its home team is the Hornets.

[Southparkrocks]

actually 04 vikings are going for almost the same price as new.

You still can sell your viking for 500, speed is like 400ish at most.

[TDonovan]

Don't forget about the new Defiant 2's. They are only 695 from just about anywhere that has them, and they have the same board as new Alias Timmy's - but without the LCD. You can't really upgrade the reg (it's reverse threaded), but it's a REALLY great reg to begin with.

You're kidding right? You can't replace the HPR? I checked one of them out today at the chicago open. INCREDIBLY light, VERY small, and had an awesome feel. Are you sure about that though, it would be incredibly stupid.