Doubt is creeping into my mind.

[SpecialBlend2786]

Don't forget about the new Defiant 2's. They are only 695 from just about anywhere that has them, and they have the same board as new Alias Timmy's - but without the LCD. You can't really upgrade the reg (it's reverse threaded), but it's a REALLY great reg to begin with.

where are they only 695? last i saw they were in the 800's

[Spartan X]

Niether gun is "Better".

Both are faster than you and both can be equally consistant (accurate),Viking will be more efficient,Speeds going to lower in profile and lighter in most cases.So all that's left is cost and preferance.

Right now Vikings are WAY WAY WAY over priced IMO. I've had people offer $2000 for mine (DC), pure madness. $1500 is pretty standard for anything milled and $1000 for 04 stock. Unlesss you must have a viking I'd go with what best fits your budget.

Jay.

It madness that5 you turned those down! You can get a unmilled and get it re-milled and anoed and all for less then what those guys ofefred you!


Custom Viking are going to around $1200 tops now

2003 customs under $1,000

non-custom ones are around $750 for a 2k4

and as cheap as $600 for a 2003 with eyes and was/pandora.


I have had MANY Many vikings, and excals, they are buy far5e the best guns I have ever shot.

Don't get me wrong I love how the proto's and dm's shoot, I'm actually a cirtified tech in them, I may even shoot one over my viking on a game day, but I chose the viking to OWN for the long run because they shoot just as good, and have a better maintanance record, and will last flat out forvere with out touching them. Can't say that for a DM.

[WARPED1]

where are they only 695? last i saw they were in the 800's

Google is your friend!

[SpecialBlend2786]

Google is your friend!

indeed, indeed it is

doh

[minimag03]

The red A4 Fly was a good choice. Both AKA and WDP are good companies that produce high quality markers. Also, if you ever get tired of the Fly, I'm sure a milled Viking owner would trade you.

[Sparta]

You're kidding right? You can't replace the HPR? I checked one of them out today at the chicago open. INCREDIBLY light, VERY small, and had an awesome feel. Are you sure about that though, it would be incredibly stupid.

I'm not kidding. The reg is reverse threaded, so until someone comes out with an adapter, you have to use the stock one.

where are they only 695? last i saw they were in the 800's

www.actionvillage.com. They're only 695 shipped.

[dahoeb]

buddy, one word. Pressure. mags kick or have "barrel rise" due to pressure, higher pressure being released behind the ball that has to expand and a high rate to propel the ball down the barrel. every marker kicks, due to this pressure being released behind the ball. also the way the pressure is distributed.

now look, the matrix and the mag, baisically distribute the air in the same method, through the bolt the whole way. but the mag does it at a much higher pressure, even with lvl 10. where as the trix releases a lower pressure blast of air, Also consider how violently the bolt must push forewards, in what speed, to over come the spring holding it back.

ram driven markers kick as well, due to their opperation, and the release of the air. you understand now?

the input pressure in a mag is a lot higher than that of a matrix, but actual bolt pressure is something like 90psi, give or take some, but its low. so i don't really think thats it.

if the marker is lighter, the marker won't be as stable. thats probably why when i had my all SS mag, i could hardly notice the recoil, the weight helped keep the marker stable.

theres probably a lot of physics at work here beyond the both of us, such as how the position of the bolt matter, and how it returns and who knows what else.

with the automag bolt, i agree, it does seem a little more violent, with that spring slamming it back like it does, so that could easily be a contributor. who knows.

[FSU_Paintball]

I gotta say, get a proto... I know that might seem stupid of me to say, but...

Vikings are nice, but they're not made any longer. Aside from that, AKA's quality control is really starting to slip since the big debacle over there and I wouldn't trust their warranty work to be the way it was.

Angels are nice, but I'm just not big on them. My teammate's 05 speed was very troublesome.

Protos are $675 new in the right place, are reliable, and very fast (get musashi 3). It's the "sweet spot".

[WARPED1]

All in all, the Proto is the best deal right now. The Vikings, while nice, are no longer made.
The Devilmag was a great idea, but poor Chris seems overwhelmed and may have bitten off more than he could chew, as they say. Go Proto..........