The game if: There were no semis

[Lohman446]

I was thinking about this, how much different would the game be today if the semi had never evolved, or for that matter the pump. I was just thinking last night about making a "bolt action" marker... and how much it would influence how I played. Just curious what everyone thinks.

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[Skoad]

i thought of it just for a project. there are a few out there. Believe all of them are custom jobs.

[cdacda13]

There would be woodsball, and only woodsball.
Lots of long range shooting, people would be to scared to move up.

It would suck

[Thordic]

There would be woodsball, and only woodsball.
Lots of long range shooting, people would be to scared to move up.

It would suck

You're an idiot.

There is WAY more movement in pump games than in semi games. The fact ropes of paint aren't flying all over the place makes people way more likely to move and make crazy moves.

Pump speedball is ridiculous fun because you have people trying all sorts of crazy moves off the break. You can't lane with a pump.

I think if we were still on pump/bolt-action whatever the game wouldn't have gotten as popular, unfortunately. The game would have stayed in the woods. It would still be a wargame.

If by some miracle speedball managed to evolve without semi though, I think we'd be better off as a sport.

[Dend78]

i think ppl would be more skilled in military style play then for sure, there would be no more sprinting to the 50 lol, ppl wouldnt be scared to move up you would have to learn how to move up, actually it would be a lot eaiser to move up instead of ducking a rope of paint u would have to get away from one or 2 well placed balls, ppl would actually learn how to shoot rather than laying a case out a game thats just what i think

[frontrunner]

^^^^^^ have you ever played pump its anything but a long range game with little movement. last month at a pump event the speed ball was a balst since movement is much easyier but you had to watch home much hung out some of those guys could hit almost anything it was fun and some of the cleanest hype free paintball i've ever played

[cdacda13]

You're an idiot.

There is WAY more movement in pump games than in semi games. The fact ropes of paint aren't flying all over the place makes people way more likely to move and make crazy moves.

Pump speedball is ridiculous fun because you have people trying all sorts of crazy moves off the break. You can't lane with a pump.

I think if we were still on pump/bolt-action whatever the game wouldn't have gotten as popular, unfortunately. The game would have stayed in the woods. It would still be a wargame.

If by some miracle speedball managed to evolve without semi though, I think we'd be better off as a sport.

Maybe I am.

With a pump, you dont have to take your hand off the gun.
If it was a bolt action sort of thing, you would have to take your hand off teh trigger, the gun would dip backwards, and you would have to catch the bolt and cock it. You might be able to take out one person, but someone else would get you before you are able to re cock it.

And pump speedball is the most fun to watch and play, I agree with you there.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

I don't think the development of "pump" class play could have been avoided, since it is only a gravity-feed. Once people started adding angled stick feeders to their PGPs and 007's, we were on the road. Semi-auto's might have been avioided if the manufacturers and insurers agreed upon it, I guess.

I think the others are right to say that paintball would not be as big or popular as it is now. Pump play requires a steeper learning curve, which discourages people who aren't really in love with it. One of the main differences would be that everything would be more expensive since there would not be the same economies of scale.

I think we'd still have HPA, and we'd still have speedball. HPA, pressure regulators and aftermarket barrels are even more useful on a pump when you really need every shot to be as accurate as possible. Speedball was a move to encourage spectators, and make the game more public friendly. It has nothing to do with ROF. In fact, I'd have to agree with Thor and some others who have pointed out that speedball works better with pumps, if anything.

[Thordic]

Maybe I am.

With a pump, you dont have to take your hand off the gun.
If it was a bolt action sort of thing, you would have to take your hand off teh trigger, the gun would dip backwards, and you would have to catch the bolt and cock it. You might be able to take out one person, but someone else would get you before you are able to re cock it.

And pump speedball is the most fun to watch and play, I agree with you there.

Not so. A nelspot is a bolt-action, and you don't have to take your hand of the trigger to cock it. You put the bolt on the left side. Hold the gun with your right hand, and cock with your left hand. Its slower than a pump, but not by a huge amount.

[rkjunior303]

Not so. A nelspot is a bolt-action, and you don't have to take your hand of the trigger to cock it. You put the bolt on the left side. Hold the gun with your right hand, and cock with your left hand. Its slower than a pump, but not by a huge amount.

Bri should know :) He's been known to bunker a viking shooter or two with his OWN Nelspot...

[sbpyro]

I will agree that speed ball works a lot better with pumps.
Heck even now when I go out on the field with a pump (woodsball)
I am not gonna let some one with an electro know where I am by firing a long range shot that may or may not hit. I close the gap until he is within what I feel comfortable that one shot will get the other player out.

[MarkM]

Whilst there can be some agreement about Speedball being there for spectators now it's primary use when used at paintball sites was to encourage a higher volume of paint as when in the woods you couldn't always see the other players but on a Speedball arena you can so you were tempted (very successfully) to try a shot or two at that player way at the back. Paintball tournaments were all held at existing paintball woods site some were lucky enough to have an area that was open enough to place either tyres or strawbales and they called it Speedball. I very often would refuse to play the Speedball field when playing as a walk-on as the paint prices were silly high back then and even with a pump I was firing a case a day...if I got real lucky maybe half a case. The lowest I ever shot and it was in a tournament was 400 rounds, we won as well but the paint was the original Nelson and it went pretty much exactly were we wanted it to and so we as a team used way less than normally. These were the days of cases of 2500 or the mini boxes of Cal-mag but we were paying around 6-8p (11-14c) a ball.
Movement with a pump on a Speedball field is immense I think it would be fair to say that two pumps teams on a Speedball field would find at least 2 v 2 on the 50 after the start whistle. People talk about how it is possibe to run through a lane of semi fire well given that a pump is going to be at least half if not more than that per second slower running down the field is a lot easier.

[firebanex]

pump games are so much faster paced than the current run of electro speedball games. just go to the www.blowfishpaintball.com site a watch a few of the pump only videos. so much more movement.

I would perfer to be playing other pump players, I think that for the most part pump players are better than the semi players. I'm not afraid to play against semis w/ my phantom but if I ever where to play against another pump player it would be more of a chalenge.

ehh... what can we do besides talk about it, semis are here to stay, but pump play is on the rise. viva la pump revelution!

[Raven001]

For one, I think it would be much easier to ref the game.

second, over shooting would be "ref he hit me twice"

[Jeffy-CanCon]

For one, I think it would be much easier to ref the game.

second, over shooting would be "ref he hit me twice"

Worst I ever lit someone up with a pump was eight shots. A big guys who stood up right away, but whose buddies continued to use him for cover for another 2-3 seconds. Autotriggers put out a lot of paint if you know how to use them.