Discuss: Regulating Boards + More

[VFX_Fenix]

Punishment can't be applied if the cheater isn't caught. I bet if 100% of pro's cheated, 10-20% would get caught. If they can't cheat in the first place the problem is solved.

This is true as well, I was supporting my argument for why penalties should be applied to the entire team as opposed to individuals, as BD_Paintball had sudgested, for board violations at events, be they shooting counterfit boards, non-sanctioned boards or hacked boards which are sanctioned.

[VFX_Fenix]

NO. In the case of the eMag, the marker would NOT be tampered with at all. ALL the cheating hardware would be external to the marker. In the case of the micro switch marker, there would be "tampering" with the marker, but NOT with the board. The board would not be tampered with in any way.

However the firing sequence is ultimately controlled by either the main PCB or a daughter board. If the main PCB, as MadPSIence is sudgesting, is limited to a certain firing mode and RoF then the only way you could cheat is either by installing a daughter board, which can be checked for, bypassing the PCB (also something that can be checked for) or going off of switch noise (debounce).

[yakitori]

why go through a lot of trouble by restricting guns electronically through the boards. Like others said, just make ppl use revies. No forcefed or loaders that can feed past 15bps.

And MOST of us dont play NPPL....so what good will it do to restrict NPPL guns when you dont even play there. Do you play in the NPPL? What do you care about restricting pros guns when you dont even play them?

Get over it.

[hitech]

However the firing sequence is ultimately controlled by either the main PCB or a daughter board. If the main PCB, as MadPSIence is sudgesting, is limited to a certain firing mode and RoF then the only way you could cheat is either by installing a daughter board, which can be checked for, bypassing the PCB (also something that can be checked for) or going off of switch noise (debounce).

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1511127#post1511127

[hitech]

Get over it.

Yes, you should...

[yakitori]

Yes, you should...

great reply....

[VFX_Fenix]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...27#post1511127

So you're proposing what... a vibrator in your glove? Obvoiously not something that mundane. An electromagnet to trip the HES sensor when activated in your glove? Elaborate please, I'm curious. Would this work on Opto trigger systems?

[hitech]

So you're proposing what... a vibrator in your glove? Obvoiously not something that mundane. An electromagnet to trip the HES sensor when activated in your glove? Elaborate please, I'm curious. Would this work on Opto trigger systems?

At the bottom of that page:

While I agree that they need to start somewhere, trying to check the code and circuit board in the marker isn't a good start. For a few hundred dollars and a couple of weekends work I could make a cheater board that COULDN'T be detected by examining the marker. All it needs to do is produce a magnetic pulse (a simple thing to do) near the HES. Control it with a basic stamp, vary the time between the pulse and you have a cheater board that is not contained within the marker. No radio frequency necessary.

All current cheats have been software because it's easy to do and no one is checking anything.

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BTW, I am NOT some electronic engineering genius. I took two years of HIGH SCHOOL electronics and I know how to write business application software (not embedded circuit software). The cheat I am talking about requires basic electronic and programming knowledge. Almost everything you need to know can be found at www.warpig.com .

That would only work on a HES triggered marker. However, all (most?) markers us a simple two wire "input" from a trigger switch. "Short" those wires and the marker thinks the trigger was pulled. It's not hard to hide something that taps into those wires and provides the trigger pull "single". And we haven't even gotten into complicated cheats...

[VFX_Fenix]

Okay, I imagined that's along the lines that you were sudgesting with the magnetic pulses. I've seen something like that done with the Bushmaster where the trigger was replaced with a reed switch and triggered trough a magnet in the glove.

[hitech]

Read through that thread. There are even simplier "glove" cheats.

[minimag03]

I think it this whole thing could be made easier buy making boards with 2 modes:
Semi (capped & uncapped)
Ramping (10-16 bps)
Then all the fancy debounce settings and the rest of that stuff.

If all board makers did that, then you couldn't cheat. There is no need to make NPPL boards if you make all your boards like mentioned above. All the refs have to do is see if the board was made after a certain date.

Ofcourse we all know Tadao, TAG, and now WAS will not be giving up all the other features because it would hurt business.

[yakitori]

well, as of now WAS only makes ramping firmware for 3 guns. The pimp, alien, and I can remember the other one. Owner Jim Drew was against ramping and fa features and would not make it available because of liability issues. Its funny how WAS factory team used it though and it wasnt available to the public.

now that they are sold (kinda), they are supposed to be releasing PSP/NXL firing modes for all their boards. Too late JD, I already bought Tadao and sold the WAS.

And you are right, it will hurt business.

[MadPSIence]

so does anyone have any comments on the actual topic?