Possibly the perfect gun

[Lohman446]

hah, i assumed it worked ike the shocker. why would SP design a new bolt system if they already had the spool valve down? why not just make a cheap spool valve instead of desgning a new bolt system?

Because the spool valve is licensed to SP from Dye and likely limited to the Shocker, at least as I understand it with limited knowledge

[ultralight]

apparently the ion design was an earlier shocker design that never made it into production as a shocker. instead we got the ion.

[SlartyBartFast]

A spool valve is simply ANY design that uses a valve body and a mobile "spool".
First hits in Google:

http://www.tpub.com/content/engine/14105/css/14105_106.htm

http://www.techconsystems.com/products/TS941.cfm

The "innovation" in paintball is the use of the spool as the bolt. The patented "idea" from DYE seems to be the fact the spool valve works as it would be designed by any sane engineer and properly seals when fully forward.

I've yet to really comprehend the difference between a "cartridge" valve and a "spool" valve.

But then again, in paintball most players still don't know how many ways their valves have.

[tony3]

Remember that capping the make would also shorten the marker up considerably. The heaviest part of the mag seems to be the reg to me. Put a 2 liter in the place of a gas through. Also you can cut the rail shorter.

[SlartyBartFast]

Remember that capping the make would also shorten the marker up considerably. The heaviest part of the mag seems to be the reg to me. Put a 2 liter in the place of a gas through. Also you can cut the rail shorter.

Once again, if you have a tank on your marker, don't complain about weight.

The 2liter wouldn't perform as well as the A.I.R.
The piping between the regulator and the ON/Off would cause a loss in performance.

[yakitori]

lets face it, mags are not going to change in their design. They found what works for the mag, and they are sticking with it. I dont see it as an advantage over the Ion or freestyle because the mag can be short stroked, electropnuematics cannot.

Still, it remains to be seen the "perfect" gun. Everyone has their preference based on thier skill level and style of paintball. There are too many guns w/ too many options for one to be the perfect one. If the mag is perfect for you, then its your gun. If the freestyle is perfect its your gun. Personally the viking fits me fine. I like it, it works for my style of ball, its my kinda gun. Others may not like the viking. Its not a big deal, its just preference.

[tony3]

Once again, if you have a tank on your marker, don't complain about weight.

The 2liter wouldn't perform as well as the A.I.R.
The piping between the regulator and the ON/Off would cause a loss in performance.

So you are telling me if I have an old style trix and an ego that it doesn't matter if the tank is on either, I can't complain about the weight, even if there is a very noticeable difference? That is the stupidest statement ever.

2liter preforms damn good and the difference wouldn't be noticeable.

I'm not really seeing how it would cause a loss in performance. Yes of course it would take longer to recharge just by the distance it would have to move, but would it be noticeable? Probably not.

[SlartyBartFast]

So you are telling me if I have an old style trix and an ego that it doesn't matter if the tank is on either, I can't complain about the weight, even if there is a very noticeable difference? ....

Well, we're not talking about an old style trix or an ego are we?

Once the Mag is all ULE would it really be all that much different? And if you move the reg you're not going to save any weight are you?

Why you'd want to change the fastest recharging reg for anything else is beyond me.

But, there have been those that gutted classic mags and ran Palmer Stabilisers instead.

[yakitori]

well actually the mag is backheavy because of the valve design. So an inline reg would balance the marker better. And for the price of ULE mag ups, you might as well buy a better gun.

And there wont be a noticable difference in performance. PPl say that because they say the mag valve is the 'fastest' recharging valve and can be over 30+bps w/o shootdown. But, who shoots that fast anyway. Its a waste, and its not legal either. Not only that, you need to crank up the input pressure to get it, which uses even more air. So, Ill bet that at input pressure of 800-850psi (or presets) that the 2 liter recharges faster than the air valve. Mabye not at 900+psi though. So, in terms of a legal setup, balancing the mag by putting an inline reg would not be as bad as ppl are making it sound to be. Only thing is to do that you would likely need internalize air passages w/in the rail, which would make the mag not as easy to work on as it is today.

They are probably the most simple guns that Ive ever taken apart, and having gaskets is not gonna be pretty for most ppl.

Although it would be nice to see a mag w/o that annoying 90 deg. input into the valve. Along w/ the 10-12" worth of macro or ss hose running along the marker.

[magzown3]

I'm on the same page as yakitori here...who cares if its the fastest charging reg, noone shoots over 25