Element Ion Update

[Duzzy]

but yea, its not a mag so it automatically sucks here.

we're trying to have a conversation here about Ions, if your going to throw a fit and start accusing me that im a mag hater....look dude, at least try and stay up on topic with us k?

That first line doesn't really have anything to do with Ions... Hmmm...

It's brought alot of people to the sport, and proved that you dont need a 1k gun to compete.

So has Brass Eagle but very few people get upset when people bash them. Only when Smart Parts and Dye get bashed do people really seem to react... At least in my experience, but I am willing to admit I may be wrong on this point.

I don't like the flow of the body. I don't like the cut out part of the body and I personally dislike the looks of Vert Frames, but that is me.

Rant Mode:

Now, my other comment is this:

I find it very offensive when people assume that no one here can appreciate anything other than an Automag. Now I think that many people on this forum like Automags for some reason or another but that is just a hunch.

Now here is what really gets me. As soon as someone posts a negative comment about a gun that is not an Automag it is automatically assumed they don't like it because it is not an Automag. Personal preferance is rarely taken into account. Then ultimately someone insults Automags about their looks, effeciency, or something else. Then someone else says, "Go somewhere else if you don't like mags!"

Now apparrently this is a "Defensive mode"... So what the heck is it when you assume that we are a bunch of blind and stupid sheep and discount the thought that we might possess an opinion? Or when you automatically attack a marker we like because we don't like one that you do? I am not some dumb wool headed animal who blissfully grazes in the AGD Automag pasture!

Am I the only one who finds this hypocritical and almost arrogant?

I think most Automags are ugly (With the exception of my X-mag and Kartas), but I love them, and it is possible for me to think your marker is ugly but still like it. I know that sounds like a horrible thought but it can happen. Heck, my Nasty has got to be one of the Ugliest markers I have ever held but I love it to death. Just holding it gives me a good feeling inside.

/Rant Mode

[JimmyBeam]

point taken.


but how can you say one is ugly but think the other one is a sexy gun






sure, they operate completely diferent, but are very look very close at the same time

[Muzikman]

point taken.


but how can you say one is ugly but think the other one is a sexy gun






sure, they operate completely diferent, but are very look very close at the same time

Did I say I like that Devil Mag? No, I don't think I did, because I don't. There are quite a few things I do not like about some of the parts that are coming out for the Mag. The fact that people think the foregrip needs to be 4" from the front of the trigger guard. The fact that for some reason people think you need to have a trigger guard large enough to drive a truck through it. The fact that many of the mag parts to not flow right. Take that Devil mag, toss on a DW body and rail, make the vert frame a tad shorter, shrink the trigger guard a bit.

I think insulting AO was where you crossed the line. Just because I am on AO and just because I don't like SP or the ION you automatically think that I like everything AGD/Mag and hate everything SP. Well you are right on the later. But that has nothing to do with the fact that it is ugly as all hell.

[Muzikman]

I don't like the flow of the body. I don't like the cut out part of the body and I personally dislike the looks of Vert Frames, but that is me.

Rant Mode:

Now, my other comment is this:

I find it very offensive when people assume that no one here can appreciate anything other than an Automag. Now I think that many people on this forum like Automags for some reason or another but that is just a hunch.

Now here is what really gets me. As soon as someone posts a negative comment about a gun that is not an Automag it is automatically assumed they don't like it because it is not an Automag. Personal preferance is rarely taken into account. Then ultimately someone insults Automags about their looks, effeciency, or something else. Then someone else says, "Go somewhere else if you don't like mags!"

Now apparrently this is a "Defensive mode"... So what the heck is it when you assume that we are a bunch of blind and stupid sheep and discount the thought that we might possess an opinion? Or when you automatically attack a marker we like because we don't like one that you do? I am not some dumb wool headed animal who blissfully grazes in the AGD Automag pasture!

Am I the only one who finds this hypocritical and almost arrogant?

I think most Automags are ugly (With the exception of my X-mag and Kartas), but I love them, and it is possible for me to think your marker is ugly but still like it. I know that sounds like a horrible thought but it can happen. Heck, my Nasty has got to be one of the Ugliest markers I have ever held but I love it to death. Just holding it gives me a good feeling inside.

/Rant Mode

Good post

[Lohman446]

point taken.


but how can you say one is ugly but think the other one is a sexy gun

Simple... I already said that need to cut in and show the black tube below the aftermarket body kills the flow of the marker

[mcdkid]

ok lets all calm down, have some coffee, and go kill some drifters.



I like the looks of the "body"/frame, ans think it would look nice on many guns, however i will never own one. This is not because i hate sp (ok maybe a little, but i like a few of the older products the "classics"), oh no there is a reason i have that maybe none of you have. It is because I HAVE TO WORK ON THEM. Replacing hoses, replacing hoses, explaining why the owners feedneck came off, why the gun is leaking, trying to revive stock reg, replacing hoses. I do enjoy talking to customers, i'm not an a**, and because of that i feel sorry for some of them because they had no idea that would happen to their new gun right outta the box.

Anyway, enjoy your day...

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I shoot mags, I will probably never switch cause I don't need too

But that is a very attractive gun, it is sleek and looks fast, that will appeal to 3/4 of the people out there.

I think the fact that the first reply to your thread was "puke" is both insulting and a very good indicator of the maturity level of sed poster.

those bodies will go far, in fact I think the fact that you can see the inner tube is a plus, good looking design guys, and good luck with it

[warbeak2099]

I like it. I like it all except for the frame. It's too skinny.

[yakitori]

Whenever someone doesnt like ion bodies onhere or whatever, you guys (jimmybeam, yakatori, etc.) accuse them of disliking it because "it isnt AGD." Most people in here dont like it because they think it is ugly, so stop playing that stupid card. If we dont hump the ion's leg, you accuse us of humping AGD's leg.

I just reread the posts again Where does anyone make any mention of not liking it because its not AGD? Let them express their opinion instead of chewing them out for not sharing yours

stop putting words in my mouth. I just said that it LOOKS like a mag. Does it? yes. I dont see why everyone is complainining about its looks.

But, since you insist that everyone is not humping its leg like its made by AGD, then it must be true. Why else would you make such a statement.

It still LOOKS like a mag. Only it shoots better.

[yakitori]

I shoot mags, I will probably never switch cause I don't need too

But that is a very attractive gun, it is sleek and looks fast, that will appeal to 3/4 of the people out there.

I think the fact that the first reply to your thread was "puke" is both insulting and a very good indicator of the maturity level of sed poster.

those bodies will go far, in fact I think the fact that you can see the inner tube is a plus, good looking design guys, and good luck with it

This is a good example of how most maggers are NOT. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and when you say "puke" JUST because its an Ion, it makes you look ignorant. Esp. when it resembles the guns that most maggers claim to be the BEST gun when there isnt one.

[JimmyBeam]

Did I say I like that Devil Mag? No, I don't think I did, because I don't. There are quite a few things I do not like about some of the parts that are coming out for the Mag. The fact that people think the foregrip needs to be 4" from the front of the trigger guard. The fact that for some reason people think you need to have a trigger guard large enough to drive a truck through it. The fact that many of the mag parts to not flow right. Take that Devil mag, toss on a DW body and rail, make the vert frame a tad shorter, shrink the trigger guard a bit.

I think insulting AO was where you crossed the line. Just because I am on AO and just because I don't like SP or the ION you automatically think that I like everything AGD/Mag and hate everything SP. Well you are right on the later. But that has nothing to do with the fact that it is ugly as all hell.

get over it, the post was posted as a generalization. not a personal thread directed at you. let it go. there are other prople on this forum besides you.

[yakitori]

ignorance is bliss.

[yakitori]

Wow, that's beyond ugly. Not like one of those things that's so ugly it's cool, it's just plain ugly. Looks sort of like an incest-bred cross between a Shocker and a Freestyle that wants to grow up and be a Devil Mag

And yeah, it does literally look like it was thrown together.

*edit* Maybe if you took the Evil parts off of there?

In a fanboy voice *I dont see why everyone accuses us of hating something because its not AGD. I dont know WHERE in the WORLD someone got that Idea.?*

read the first few posts and you will see. Nobody said your name specifically, but yet you feel the need to defend yourself when some other AOer makes such statements.

AH the irony. It is BEYOND ugly, but it wants to grow up to be a devil mag? Does that mean the devil mag is BEYOND the ion ugly? Or does it mean the Devil mag is ugly? or does it mean that the Ion looks like the devil mag? hmmm. points to ponder.

[Lohman446]

This is a good example of how most maggers are NOT. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and when you say "puke" JUST because its an Ion, it makes you look ignorant. Esp. when it resembles the guns that most maggers claim to be the BEST gun when there isnt one.

You are good at reading into things... you take "puke" to mean he said it just because its an Ion. Maybe he said it because overall that thing is ugly. Is the devilmag ugly? I don't think so, but to some no doubt it is.... that body is ugly to me at least because of the cut out to show the tube below it. This idea that he said puke just because it is an Ion is some wonderful mind reading on your part... or a wild and defensive guess.

Do you think I (again, you may not be addressing me, I use me as an example) beleive its ugly only because its an Ion - funny, I find myself often defending the Ion, but this was not about the Ion persey, it was about that body / frame which happens to be for an Ion.

[Muzikman]

get over it, the post was posted as a generalization. not a personal thread directed at you. let it go. there are other prople on this forum besides you.

Yeah, and I am sure they took it as an insult too. Why don't you just get the hell out.