Why did AGD get rid of the Emag?

[fastn]

I've been away from Paintball for a while. What happened to the emag?

[Creative Mayhem]

I've been away from Paintball for a while. What happened to the emag?

In 2 words.... Smart Parts


Longer explanation... Smart Parts started suing all these companies for infringing on a patent they "own" and it was in AGD's best intrest to stop making the emag.

[slade]

and cause they decided to head to scenario

[CJ55]

In 2 words.... Smart Parts


Longer explanation... Smart Parts started suing all these companies for infringing on a patent they "own" and it was in AGD's best intrest to stop making the emag.

This has been posted before and this is always my answer but somehow nobody beleives me, Creative Mayhem is right, well put dude.

[Lohman446]

Aside from Tom Kaye said that was not the reason he's right... just a small detail there - like the person making the decision said it may have been one consideration but was not the reason.

The risk to reward ratio in making the E-mag became unfavorable, and production was stopped - for many factors

[Pha|anx]

Any specifics on what AGD was sued over?

[shartley]

This has been posted before and this is always my answer but somehow nobody beleives me, Creative Mayhem is right, well put dude.

Aside from Tom Kaye said that was not the reason he's right... just a small detail there - like the person making the decision said it may have been one consideration but was not the reason.

The risk to reward ratio in making the E-mag became unfavorable, and production was stopped - for many factors

Any specifics on what AGD was sued over?

[Lohman446]

As I understand it TK was never sued, but there may have been a less formal indication made to him on a personal level (or perhaps a cease and desist letter even) that may have indicated there was an issue. This is all conjecture of course, not having the whole story.

Those posting that SP is the reason for the demise of the E/X mag... its been how long and there is still inventory, indicates to me a lack of sales if you want my guess. Stating SP is the only reason, is blatantly false and goes directly against what TK has flat out stated in the past. Of course.. if you want to blame them I guess all the facts in the world wont stop you

[Dayspring]

It is TRUE that Tom received paperwork from SP. Did it go to court? No.

The reason I know? TOM TOLD ME HIMSELF.

Does that mean that AGD got sued? No. Does that mean that SP forced them to stop making it? No. Is it a factor, you betcha!

[Lohman446]

It is TRUE that Tom received paperwork from SP. Did it go to court? No.

The reason I know? TOM TOLD ME HIMSELF.

Does that mean that AGD got sued? No. Does that mean that SP forced them to stop making it? No. Is it a factor, you betcha!

Factor, most definetly. When doing a risk to reward consideration of production one takes in many factors, including the risk of being sued by a consumer for injury, or by a patent holder. I agree that it was a factor, and I agree with you that it was not THE factor.

[shartley]

It is TRUE that Tom received paperwork from SP. Did it go to court? No.

The reason I know? TOM TOLD ME HIMSELF.

[Dryden]

its been how long and there is still inventory, indicates to me a lack of sales if you want my guess.

I don't disagree with this, but I think it's somewhat disingenuous to cite lack of sales of an outdated product when the threat of a lawsuit is persuasive enough to prevent expanding/redesigning the marker for the next generation. Why buy a stock Emag at $850 when you can track down a lightly used one for between $500 or $600? Shop the B/S/T here and you could buy/build an E-Karta for less. I mean, as near as I can tell there is a greater demand for CnC battery packs than there is for E/Xmags.

There are a dozen reasons why the marker is discontinued, and it required a host of these popping up in succession to end production.

Sam, see here (I don't seem to remember you visiting AO much, if at all, at the beginning of this year, so possibly you missed the post at the bottom?):

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=168897

[Lohman446]

I'll take Daysprings word for it that TK was served papers - perhaps after the discontinuation of the E/X mag. SP may have done this just to assure that a sold AGD would have an issue.

From that post it would to me be more of one of the Gardners mentioning to TK that they beleived that all E-markers violated there patent - and a casual comment like that as others are being sued, would have definite weight.

I think both Sam and Dayspring may be right here, and it may just be an issue of timing from when Dayspring talked to TK and when the E/X was discontinued

[shartley]

I don't disagree with this, but I think it's somewhat disingenuous to cite lack of sales of an outdated product when the threat of a lawsuit is persuasive enough to prevent expanding/redesigning the marker for the next generation. Why buy a stock Emag at $850 when you can track down a lightly used one for between $500 or $600? Shop the B/S/T here and you could buy/build an E-Karta for less. I mean, as near as I can tell there is a greater demand for CnC battery packs than there is for E/Xmags.

There are a dozen reasons why the marker is discontinued, and it required a host of these popping up in succession to end production.

Sam, see here (I don't seem to remember you visiting AO much, if at all, at the beginning of this year, so possibly you missed the post at the bottom?):

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=168897

I'll take Daysprings word for it that TK was served papers - perhaps after the discontinuation of the E/X mag. SP may have done this just to assure that a sold AGD would have an issue.

From that post it would to me be more of one of the Gardners mentioning to TK that they beleived that all E-markers violated there patent - and a casual comment like that as others are being sued, would have definite weight.

I think both Sam and Dayspring may be right here, and it may just be an issue of timing from when Dayspring talked to TK and when the E/X was discontinued

I can agree with this statement.

[SpitFire1299]

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