A new week, a new rant

[yakitori]

Ooops good catch. I was in rant mode. Fixed

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[BigEvil]

BigEvil... You so totaly sound like me with the college rant.... Yeah I went, 3 years for graphic design ( I smashed the last 2 years into 1 ) and what do I have to show for it? Well Ive got this neat piece of paper saying I have a Graphic Design Degree.. wooooo Useless when you relize that half of everyone out there now has the same degree and that the industry is so competetative that they could hire some one that is working cheaper than you that does horrible work. But hey they work for cheap.....

Yeah, I basically went back for my own gratification. I just finished last month.. and boy.. after NOT being in school since 1991.. this sucked. The last two terms were nothing but one PINTA issue after another. I should never have left college in 91 for trade school, which btw, for a trade I dont even use anymore. Basically, I feel more relieved that it is over, rather than any sence of accomplishment.

Some one needs to come out with a paintball item that truely makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up..... Im just not impressed with the recent works that are out there... Oh great another shocker, oh great another timmy, Oh great... whats this ion , what ever junk dont care

I dont think there will ever be another paintball item that will give you that warm & fuzzy feeling. I think we are reaching the limits of current technology. Now, the only thing that is happening, is insome cases refinement, in others, re-packaging. Usually, nothing earth shatteringly different from one model to the next, just a few different bells or whistles.

There are some goodies out there that are truly awesome. Ive been nothing but impressed with the performance I get out of so-called "old" guns with the predator boards. And did you see TAGs Halo board?

I guess thats why when people find a piece of equipment they really like, it turns into a "My penis is bigger than yours" argument.

And its a shame, because walking onto a field with $3000 worth of gear doesnt mean less time before your next trip to the dead zone.

SO whith that said, what is the next great leap in technology and where will it come from? Hmmm.. maybe thats for a new thread?

[WARPED1]

I owned 2 of the Line SI Promasters around the same time I owned an F1 Illustrator, and a PMI3(It was renamed the VM68 a couple years later).

[BigEvil]

I owned 2 of the Line SI Promasters around the same time I owned an F1 Illustrator, and a PMI3(It was renamed the VM68 a couple years later).

I miss my Promaster. I remember Line SI sending me new valve stems because I was having trouble chronoing. I didnt like the thumbscrew barrel, but I loved the feel of the gun. My Vm was also a PMI-III. LOL. Ahh the good old days.

[WARPED1]

Yeah, I did get another PMI-III when it was VM. I had the Magnum. Dual CO2 tanks, heavy but cool.

[CoolHand]

I agree with the whole pre-order nightmare deal. We need a large company who can pop out eframes for mags. Basically frames that are Coolhand's and everything, but are readily available. The problem is it's always one person doing it. We need someone like NPS popping these out. And that would bring mags back and show that they're able to compete. However, I don't think NPS would go for it nor would any other big pb company.

Well, that would be great . . . . . .except for the fact that there is so little money in it, and so few people will buy it, that it isn't hardly worth the trouble for one guy (me), much less a giant company like NPS.

Those guys have looked at the Mag, and pronounced it dead.

Instead of lamenting the fact that I cannot build them 500 at a time and sell them for $50 a pop, you guys could be happy that someone (hell, anyone) is still left that thinks you all are worth spending time on.

Those of us that are left in this aftermarket pour our hearts, souls, and hours of our lives into trying to help the Mag "keep up with the times".

Mags are not mainstream anymore, and as such, you don't get the time of day from the big companies.

Appreciate what you have, instead of constantly wishing for things that won't happen.

If you want the EFrame thing to work, help me out with it. Spread the word, and help me get a few sold, so I can build a batch and have them waiting to sell. There is just so much risk in a project like this, and hardly any profit. I think I may need my head examined for taking it on at all.

[WARPED1]

Hey Cool, would those Eframes fit a classic RT? And would those Predator boards fit?

[BigEvil]

Well, that would be great . . . . . .except for the fact that there is so little money in it, and so few people will buy it, that it isn't hardly worth the trouble for one guy (me), much less a giant company like NPS.

Those guys have looked at the Mag, and pronounced it dead.

Instead of lamenting the fact that I cannot build them 500 at a time and sell them for $50 a pop, you guys could be happy that someone (hell, anyone) is still left that thinks you all are worth spending time on.

Those of us that are left in this aftermarket pour our hearts, souls, and hours of our lives into trying to help the Mag "keep up with the times".

Mags are not mainstream anymore, and as such, you don't get the time of day from the big companies.

Appreciate what you have, instead of constantly wishing for things that won't happen.

If you want the EFrame thing to work, help me out with it. Spread the word, and help me get a few sold, so I can build a batch and have them waiting to sell. There is just so much risk in a project like this, and hardly any profit. I think I may need my head examined for taking it on at all.

Coolhand - you said you have a prototype done, it would be a big help to see it in action. Ive seen the CAD drawings you posted, but still, a real live one would be easier to push. I may even build another mag just to get this.

Yeah, PROFIT, what is that? When alot of these guys get older, they will understand. LOL

Oh, and screw the big companies. Those are the ones that crap on you when they sell you garbage and leave you laying in it.

[Apple_Pie]

Coolhand - you said you have a prototype done, it would be a big help to see it in action. Ive seen the CAD drawings you posted, but still, a real live one would be easier to push. I may even build another mag just to get this.

Yeah, PROFIT, what is that? When alot of these guys get older, they will understand. LOL

Oh, and screw the big companies. Those are the ones that crap on you when they sell you garbage and leave you laying in it.

1. I completely agree. Best ways to sell something is to prove it. Even if it was a picture of the the frame, its a good tease and it will also insure that its true. A CAD doesnt make it true physically.

2. Profit doesnt exsist in my mind.

3. Big companies means lots of orders. Lots of orders means faster production. Faster production means more people. More people means more idiots.

[WARPED1]

2. Profit doesnt exsist in my mind.

You will never make it in the real world, sorry, but profit is the only way to survive in this world.

[mandatory]

I agree with the whole pre-order nightmare deal. We need a large company who can pop out eframes for mags. Basically frames that are Coolhand's and everything, but are readily available. The problem is it's always one person doing it. We need someone like NPS popping these out. And that would bring mags back and show that they're able to compete. However, I don't think NPS would go for it nor would any other big pb company.

I agree. I have been waiting for my devilmag. I think its quite hilarious that a woman can create another human being in about the same time as a DM gets created. Now its debateable over which of the two is harder to make, human or devilmag, but the time frames shouldnt be congruent. I would love to see a "larger" company produce some electro-frames so that more people would be interested, not just the hard core ballers who have multiple guns and love waiting monthes on end for a "custome" gun. I myself am not a "hard core baller" and have been quite taken back by the whole attitude in the corprate paintball world. I havent been in too many industries where pre-order/ pre-pay was so dominate, and the "open ended time frame" i have never seen in any other customisation field. Also does anyone know whats up with P8nt magazine and Facefull magazine? I ordered subscriptions to both in december and havent recieved one issue and they dont returne e-mails? anyone have a subscription to any of these, and if so what is a mailing address i can contact them with, because online isnt working for me. I dont know if its me making bad decisions on what to purchase, but to me it seems like every transaction i try to make, paintball wise, just blows up in my face or goes compleatly wrong.

[Apple_Pie]

You will never make it in the real world, sorry, but profit is the only way to survive in this world.

I just dont think of it as profit. More money means more taxs. More money means more choices. More money means more to worry about. More money means more money to lose. Profit- An advantageous gain or return; benefit. As I see it as a disadvantage, but one that can be overcome.

Sorry, I like too try to see things differently.

[CoolHand]

Hey Cool, would those Eframes fit a classic RT? And would those Predator boards fit?

Not without making a new Banjo bolt. These frames are thicker at the back than the stock frames are.

Coolhand - you said you have a prototype done, it would be a big help to see it in action. Ive seen the CAD drawings you posted, but still, a real live one would be easier to push. . . . . . .

Well, as I have said before, the proof of concept was in a hacked up vert frame. It looks nothing like what we are selling here, plus its all torn apart, with a bunch of pieces missing now. To put it back together would only serve to confuse things, rather than help us sell them. Just be patient, vids will be out as soon as I get all the pieces done and in one place. You guys just have to realize that "proof of concept model" != "unanodized production model"

I just dont think of it as profit. More money means more taxs. More money means more choices. More money means more to worry about. More money means more money to lose. Profit- An advantageous gain or return; benefit. As I see it as a disadvantage, but one that can be overcome.

Sorry, I like too try to see things differently.

Yeah, that's a little too different for me.

Here is how I think of it:

No profit = No money coming in = No Food = No Electric = No Gas = No More Business = No Point

Your way of thinking comes from a lifetime of working for someone else. If I started to think like that, I would be working for someone else ('cause my business will have folded).

There are a lot of things that I can do and lose money, (Stock car racing springs immediately to mind) which are a hell of a lot more enjoyable than dealing with the public.

If there is no profit in it, there is no point. If I had to go totally out of pocket on these the project probably wouldn't have happened at all.

You guys want the impossible. You want it right now, for almost no money, but you also want to be taken care of individually, and you want the parts to fit perfectly with your one of a kind whatever (off the shelf with no modifications), and do things that the marker was never designed to do.

Then, when we get nearly all of that done for you, THEN you want it in a custom color for no charge, or this one little thing changed (which is actually a huge deal to change) for no charge, and you want it assembled and to your door in two days from the word go.

Its a no win situation.

You guys need to wake up and see that if you don't support what few aftermarket guys you have, pretty soon you won't have any. Sure, there will still be the random guy spitting out "custom" parts which are actually just anodized stock parts, but the real performance upgrades will go, and never come back.

You want to go to the moon, and then when we say "Sure, we can send you, it will cost $400,000,000 and take 9 years of work to get you there." you kinda slump back and say "Man, I wish NASA would just take us to the moon."

Wake up and smell reality folks, NPS, SP, DYE, and the like don't care about you. They don't care about the Mag or if it lives or dies. They don't need your business, and they don't care if you don't buy their parts. They don't need you.

We do.

[sanity]

I just dont think of it as profit. More money means more taxs. More money means more choices. More money means more to worry about. More money means more money to lose. Profit- An advantageous gain or return; benefit. As I see it as a disadvantage, but one that can be overcome.

Sorry, I like too try to see things differently.

My first reaction was that you sir are an idiot...but upon thinking about it i have decided that you simply confuse me. And here I though profit was simply your net gain after removing incurred expenses from gross cash received. Stupid me.

I understand your dilemma coolhand, you're trying to breath life into a dieing race and getting very little appreciation for your efforts. Hey people you want a major company to produce aftermarket performance upgrades for mags - Last I checked, we don't even really have the company that produces the guns themselves anymore! Its the truth, a shame (I would take a mag over anything else, love 'em), but the truth none the less.

[Apple_Pie]

My first reaction was that you sir are an idiot...but upon thinking about it i have decided that you simply confuse me. And here I though profit was simply your net gain after removing incurred expenses from gross cash received. Stupid me.

I confuse myself. I just like to look at every downside of everything first, so I have more time to think of solutions rather then look at them last minute and get completely screwed over.

Yeah, that's a little too different for me.

Here is how I think of it:

No profit = No money coming in = No Food = No Electric = No Gas = No More Business = No Point

Your way of thinking comes from a lifetime of working for someone else. If I started to think like that, I would be working for someone else ('cause my business will have folded).

Thats where my part of "can be overcome" comeing play. I look at the downside, so i can see a solution.
OK, back on topic...

Not without making a new Banjo bolt. These frames are thicker at the back than the stock frames are.



Well, as I have said before, the proof of concept was in a hacked up vert frame. It looks nothing like what we are selling here, plus its all torn apart, with a bunch of pieces missing now. To put it back together would only serve to confuse things, rather than help us sell them. Just be patient, vids will be out as soon as I get all the pieces done and in one place. You guys just have to realize that "proof of concept model" != "unanodized production model"


You guys want the impossible. You want it right now, for almost no money, but you also want to be taken care of individually, and you want the parts to fit perfectly with your one of a kind whatever (off the shelf with no modifications), and do things that the marker was never designed to do.

Custom takes time. So we are going to have to suck it up and let you take the time, as much as nessasary. Why, because thats life. Thats the solution.