Has any tried the Apex barrel?

[deadbox101]

I'm sure its great for woodsball, but this is one piece of technology i dont want in Speedball. Why? Because if they perfect this thing were you can adjust it just so,there will be even less moving.

"oh hes behind that bunker, should i move up and get an angle? Hell no ill just adjust my barrel."

[SlartyBartFast]

Really? I would think it might make for MORE movement.

Would you sit behind a bunker and try to snap shoot if you knew your opponent was dialing in a shot that would go round the bunker?

[FSU_Paintball]

I'm ordering one from my local store... I'll let you guys know how I like it. I may even try to post a video of me (attempting) to shoot targets behind bunkers

[NewMagMan21]

Honestly it sounds cool and everything...and it may do everything it says. But I really hope that this thing isnt tourny legal. It would screw over everything in the game...whats the point of bunkers when paint just flies around it. I dont plan on getting one simply because of the fact that its pretty lame when instead of having to move around and concur your opponent through wit and a clever firefight, you can just sit back and curve paint around bunkers. It personally disgusts me. But hey its just my rant...everyone else seems to like it so I have to give a thumbs up to Ben Tippman, even though I dont like it, it is still a really cool idea.

[paint magnet]

If I had some extra cash I'd love to give it a try.
Then test it out at a tourny.

Yeah, it's always a good idea to put new and unfamiliar parts on your gun the day before a tournament

[Hairball]

I shot it today at the IAO and was fairly impressed. It definitely spins the ball and moves it significantly, but it would take a TON of getting used to to use it to any potential in a game. I'd be tempted to say it's too unpredictable to take advantage of, but I'm going to try not to jump to conclusions since I only shot a few rounds through it.

Bottomline: It works, but try before you buy.

[doc_Zox]

i wonder what would happen if i inserted a rubber nub into one of the holes on my Doorbuster?

i think i will have to try an experiment

[Jack & Coke]

manike, any video clips?

[Cameo]

Saw it at IAO today and I was amazed.. Very interesting to say the least, but way to much for this simple player.... although I am usally just there for the guys witht eh pretty eyes...

[yingyang]

Think about it though, millions of diffrent angles, your enemy isn't going to wait for you to clock in your enemy. Still a pretty cool concept for a barrel.

[JJBrookshire]

Played with it today

I played with it today on an ICD ProMaster (wanted to try out the marker as well as this barrel) in the scenario game. Both were flawless. I tried the ProMaster in the "unlimited ramp" mode and found that my only complaint was that I shot way too much paint. I then switched it to "unlimited semi" and found it to be perfect. Never broke a ball (Empire Reloader B fed) and often ran into multiple targets at once with victorious results.

The Apex deserves more time than I can take right now but I was very impressed. I played with the settings throughout the day as I engaged targets at various ranges and behind a wide variety of cover. I was able to hit dozens of players that were standing in relative open areas because they never thought I would be able to reach them under a thick overhead tree canopy. I also hit several players that were behind log piles, mounds and embankments. This was most impressive since I would turn the Apex upside down and walk the impacts behind the cover until the player (whom I could not see) would stand up with a hit. One of my favorite features of the Apex vs. the Flatline is the fact I could "turn off" the Apex when I needed minimum ball movement for snapshooting small targets.

I heard one ref who had just watched me take out a group of 10 players say "That is the most unfair advantage I've ever seen! ... I've gotta have one!"

[Boydster]

/drool

The Pro Master and the apex barrel. The two things I want most currently.

[Lohman446]

I tried the APEX today. I was very impressed with it, and well I agree that some of the detractions about aiming and zeroing in on an opponent are valid the thing is pretty quick and easy to change. It does what it says it will do.

That being said - it coming to speedball worries me, even to woods. The flatline effect is fine, distance, etc. I don't want to have to deal with balls curving around things. Maybe I'm too stuck in my ways, but I want someone who can't shoot me to have to deal with it in a more traditional manner, be it a covered move, or a support shooter to flank me, rather than just holding me down until he can get that shot zeroed in.

As Manike eluded to the ability to change the spin may change the chrono speed. I specifically asked well toying with it if it did. They told me that it only lowers the speed, you chrono with it "turned off". That being said... I don't like it in the first place recall - I will argue - until proven wrong, that standard rules do not allow any velocity adjustement on field without tools. Can we do it by loosening barrels? Sure we can. Can someone who wants to cheat cheat? Almost always given enough time. Yes, using this properly, as most people will, and chronoing with it at its fastest possible setting - I am told this is with it dialed all the way out or "turned off" if you will - the thing can be perfectly safe. However, the rules (at least most standard accepted rules) so no ability to change velocity on field.

I don't know how to say it - I don't like the strategic effects of it on field. Maybe I'm wrong on it, perhaps its a great tool and the game just changes. It certainly was one of the most interesting concepts at IAO and my misgivings with it have nothing at all to do with safety, even if my main argument against it is safety related. It works like they say it does, I watched it first hand. The spin was fairly consistent and predictable, both in the flatline and "cornering" effect. It could be readily used it seemed in a fire fight. It appears very sturdy and well made. It may revolutionize how we play both in the woods and on the speedball field. It appears to be safe.

I still don't like it.

[Captain Canuck]

HAving had the opportunity to shoot this thing, I have to say taht it actually works. If I had the money I would get one myself.

This thing is going to be deem tourney ILLEGAL very soon... seriously.

[ScatterPlot]

Something like this looks especially good for scenario games, like have someone with one of those on a pump act as a "sniper" and stuff.