Dye v. Proto

[Dye Angel Guy]

Why is the proto trix like $500 cheaper?

[slade]

milling, or lack thereof (less milling on the proto, less CNC time, less cost) costs cut (well still good quality) in other areas too. and dye just wanted to cut into the lower end category while still having a better looking prestigious marker.

[FSU_Paintball]

Because some people will always pay a bundle for perceived gains

Go with the proto. $699 new, buy the M5 chip, a nice rail and a decent barrel and you'll be mowing like no tomorrow.

Plus, the proto is slightly smaller and lighter than the DM5. You cannot lose by choosing that gun.

[Dye Angel Guy]

sounds like it is the better buy

[Lohman446]

Prestige marketing - ie Dye you are paying for a name

The proto is actually a touch lighter (I beleive), is rumored to be a touch more efficient (and higher pressure), and to me looks decent.

It does not have some of the accessories that the Dye comes with - clamping feedneck, airport (I think it did not have an airport on it), or board that simply takes chips to upgrade (you have to flash or replace the board).

That being said I beleive my Proto (stock) is competetive with anything else in semi-mode.

[68magOwner]

i prefer the proto over the DM5 or DMC myself

[FSU_Paintball]

sounds like it is the better buy

It is, no question. The DM4 comes with a nicer barrel, an external air on/off on the front, and a board which allows you to plug in chips directly instead of replacing the whole board, but that's about it. No real performance benefits, plus it's a little bigger and heavier and takes a huge chunk out of your wallet. The Proto is definitely the way to go unless you're Mr. Moneybags and really prefer the DM5.

[nt2004]

board which allows you to plug in chips directly instead of replacing the whole board, but that's about it.

Also, Lucky Paintball is coming out with a board that lets the proto use chips made for the DM4/5/C tomorrow I believe

[68magOwner]

yeah, and you can already have tadao flashed to the proto board for the price of a chip anyway.

[magman007]

id reccomend checking out www.matrixowner.com or pbn out on this one, but since you asked here, il give you the stickey

The dm4/5/c/ soon to be 6 are dyes top of the line markers, and there is a reason for this. they have all of the bells and whistles, all of the hugh end stuff, and are on the very edge of technology. The proto, while being an excelent, and competitive marker, is not. The proto uses external eye covers, where the dm's are more asthetically pleasing, the proto uses an eye ribbon, which is a pain in the neck if it ever gets damaged, where the dm's use eye wires. the protos arent milled nearly as much, the proto doesnt utilize as good of a board, the proto doesnt come with the on off on the body, and a few other differences. if you want the best that there is to offer in a spoolvalve marker, get a dm, if you want something that works wonderfully, and is fully competitive, with a little more kick, grab a proto

[FSU_Paintball]

I completely disagree with that.

Asthetics don't have much to do with being a high-end marker, at least not the difference between a DM5 and a Proto. As far as quality, you mentioned the board - but the DM5 doesn't even come with a ramping or multi-mode board! And the thing about kick is just plain wrong - the Proto has a shorter bolt, meaning less moving mass and therefore less kick. Not that you'd notice the difference anyways, Matrices really don't kick. Also, if we're talking about what makes a gun truly high-end... the Proto is smaller, lighter, has slightly less kick, and slightly better efficiency. Which one do you think deserves to be high-end if we're comparing high-end performance?

[Dye Angel Guy]

High-end is all about performance and how well it does on the field and not how much it costs. I would take a mag with lvl 10 out that and it would be a mid-level just because it is not electronic but I do think high-end is how it performs with other markers.

[hobbesTZ]

I thought the Proto was supposed to have slightly more kick because it's lighter and runs at a higher pressure.

[yakitori]

Ive shot both and honestly cannot tell the difference in kick. Neither one have much at all. Probably the LEAST amount of kick than any gun Ive shot. Trixes are so smooth. For some ppl they are too smooth. I know some ppl that got rid of them because they wanted something that you can tell you are shooting. Im actually saving for a proto myself.

You cant go wrong w/ either one. Ive heard something like the tophat oring flying out of protos causing problems. Never seen it though. I just read that somewhere. I like the proto better because the membranes on DM4s need to be replaced way too much for a high end gun. I think that was corrected w/ the DM5 and DMC. Dont quote me on that though.

Both are deadly quiet and have next to no kick at all. Get whatever you can afford.

[nt2004]

You cant go wrong w/ either one. Ive heard something like the tophat oring flying out of protos causing problems. Never seen it though. I just read that somewhere.
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It only happens when the pressure is too high. Most people have this problem during the break in period and its pretty much user error