Dye v. Proto

[magman007]

I completely disagree with that.

Asthetics don't have much to do with being a high-end marker, at least not the difference between a DM5 and a Proto. As far as quality, you mentioned the board - but the DM5 doesn't even come with a ramping or multi-mode board! And the thing about kick is just plain wrong - the Proto has a shorter bolt, meaning less moving mass and therefore less kick. Not that you'd notice the difference anyways, Matrices really don't kick. Also, if we're talking about what makes a gun truly high-end... the Proto is smaller, lighter, has slightly less kick, and slightly better efficiency. Which one do you think deserves to be high-end if we're comparing high-end performance?

well, you sir are not very knowledgable about the paintball business. the high end guns are all about asthetics, why do you think the ripper 2 timmy was 1700 when first released? or other timmy incarnations from that point on?

Nt mentioned membrane pads, the problem is people are too dumb to use them. dont use your fingernails, and you will be fine, ive never had to replace one, and i dont think i ever will have to, if i do, it isnt hard to jump start the marker.

What guns do come standard with multi mode boards? i believe shockers, nerves and ions are it, timmies dont come with 127, thats still an upgrade, angels are starting to, just because no one replaces angel boards really, or if they do, its for a predator.

the proto has more kick, because of the hgher pressure, about 220 as opposed to 170 of a dm.

you truely do get what you pay for between the 2, there are more features on the dm's than the proto, hence the higher cost. Also, dont forget that the dm5/c has a roller trigger, easier adjustment system, and a few other perks.

personally, if i were you, id pick up a used dm4/5 after cup, or a used proto. prices will be dropping soon.

also, FSU, please dont ever try to insult my matrix knowledge.

[SlipknotX556]

Protos suck, I found out the hard way. I have had mine since December of 04, I still havent been able to use it once on field. Everytime I go to the field, get ready, something always happens, everytime it comes back from proto, they said they fixed it, its still broken.

[FallNAngel]

Plus, the proto is slightly smaller and lighter than the DM5.

Shorter, but also a tad taller IIRC

I thought the Proto was supposed to have slightly more kick because it's lighter and runs at a higher pressure.

Kick is determined by the LPR pressure, not the HPR pressure.

[FSU_Paintball]

well, you sir are not very knowledgable about the paintball business. the high end guns are all about asthetics, why do you think the ripper 2 timmy was 1700 when first released? or other timmy incarnations from that point on?

Asthetics isn't what makes paintball guns high-end TO ME. Most timmies are ugly, DM4s are ugly if you ask me. If asthetics count for anything, I'd throw them right down in the "Spyder" category. Ripper 2s were very rare guns when first released. People will pay a lot for a distinctive look. Asthetics don't make the ripper 2 any better than the alias.

Nt mentioned membrane pads, the problem is people are too dumb to use them. dont use your fingernails, and you will be fine, ive never had to replace one, and i dont think i ever will have to, if i do, it isnt hard to jump start the marker.

Let me get this straight... a $1200 marker that gets hit on a regular basis by hardened capsules of gelatin traveling at 300MPH, and we're not allowed to use our fingernails to turn the gun on and off? You cannot tell me that's not a weakness of design.

What guns do come standard with multi mode boards? i believe shockers, nerves and ions are it, timmies dont come with 127, thats still an upgrade, angels are starting to, just because no one replaces angel boards really, or if they do, its for a predator.

Freestyle 7, new Angels, Shockers, Nerves. Even Ions have adjustable ramp. That's a large chunk of the upper end guns right there.

the proto has more kick, because of the hgher pressure, about 220 as opposed to 170 of a dm.

Like the other guy, kick is mostly determined by LPR pressure, not HPR pressure. All the same, what you say may be, I didn't know there's a difference in the OP. But I'd never heard anyone say that a proto kicks noticeably more than a DM4/5. Hell, I couldn't tell a difference when i've shot them. It's why I didn't even mention kick in my original post.

you truely do get what you pay for between the 2, there are more features on the dm's than the proto, hence the higher cost. Also, dont forget that the dm5/c has a roller trigger, easier adjustment system, and a few other perks.

True, it has more features and a few perks, but I hardly consider the differnces to be worth $500.

personally, if i were you, id pick up a used dm4/5 after cup, or a used proto. prices will be dropping soon.

That is an excellent idea.

also, FSU, please dont ever try to insult my matrix knowledge.

Don't ever try to tell me I don't know anything about the paintball business. I do know that if you make a gun look nice, it'll sell and that's why companies put effort into making their high-end guns so nice and milled. And I wasn't trying to insult you, I just said I completely disagree. You may know more about matrices than I do, but I do know a good bit.

As you may have noticed by the way I post, I think a lot of this is personal opinion. There are some things that are not debateable when it comes to determining if a gun is high-end, like performance and price. I do not believe asthetics count for much. And that's my personal opinion, and I know yours differs from mine.

[tyrion2323]

well, you sir are not very knowledgable about the paintball business. the high end guns are all about asthetics, why do you think the ripper 2 timmy was 1700 when first released? or other timmy incarnations from that point on?
also, FSU, please dont ever try to insult my matrix knowledge.

[93civiccpe]

aesthetics & functionality both have their place. A prime example in my opionion, (AND YES, THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION SO PLEASE DON'T START A FLAME WAR), is that the ION by smart parts is one ugly plastic toy looking paintball marker. BUT, because of the price and the functionality, so many people are buying them. When I saw the first one i was like "that's a piece of junk". The first time I played one I was surprised, and the only upgrades it had were a rolling trigger and QEV. It just depends on who you are. There are certain people who think it is worthwhile to spend a couple hundred more on a rare milling/color/edition and others who don't. I think that's a good thing when you can take pride in your marker, but at the same time I'm broke so I don't have to worry about chosing.. lol... Anyways, with the new aftermarket aluminum bodies available for those ions they are starting to look a little bit more appealing to a broke fool like me! =)

[yakitori]

well, Im buying a DM4 that is in great condition w/ an orange bolt, M3 chip, etc. for about 750-800 bucks. I have also seen the new protos w/ stock bolt and advantage virtue board installed for only 799+ shipping.

I figured since they basically all perform the same, why not just get the DM4. Its got some better features and a cleaner look than the protos, although Ive shot protos and cannot tell a difference. It all depends on what ppl are willing to pay for what peice of equipment. Im just trying to find a local deal. I know there are a lot of DM4s, etc. around here to be had.

[warbeak2099]

05 defiants come with the frenzy board that has psp ramping. 05 promasters are supposed to have ramping too. I thought some timmies came stock with the frenzy as well.