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  • Beemer
    I could tell you but then.

    • Oct 2003
    • 3250

    #1

    It Can And Will Happen

    Was this posted here and I missed it? I could'nt find it.


    Thursday, June 16, 2005

    By HEATHER KAYS
    HERALD NEWS



    ELMWOOD PARK - They knew it was a risky hobby, but never expected it could be dangerous.

    When Ryan Rodriguez, 18, and Michael Balistrieri, 15, decided to play paintball, they got all the protective equipment available.


    But as the teens sat in Ryan's bedroom on June 6 cleaning and loading his paintball gun, one of the carbon dioxide tanks he had just taken to ABC Paintball in Paramus to be filled exploded. The tank, which holds the compressed gas used to propel the paintballs, was sitting an arm's length away from Ryan and Michael.

    "Here we're worried about black-and-blues from the paintballs, and then this happens," said Ryan's mother, Linda Rodriguez.

    Part of the room's door frame was blown off, pieces of metal stuck in the ceiling, and there was a giant hole in the wall near where the tank was sitting. The impact was so forceful that a piece of the tank flew down the stairs and ricocheted into the floor below. Furniture was broken into pieces and screws from around the room came out of the Sheetrock.

    Linda Rodriguez ran upstairs screaming and frantically searched the boys for injuries.

    "It was so loud that it sounded like a bomb went off," said Rodriguez. "They were white as ghosts and just sat there with these stunned looks on their faces."

    Meanwhile, a block and a half away on Willow Street, Michael's mother, Sandy Balistrieri, was getting paperwork from her car when she heard the explosion. Terrified, she called Rodriguez's house to check on her son.

    After a thorough examination of the startled teens, Rodriguez realized Ryan and Michel had not been hurt.

    Ryan and Michael said they had severe headaches and ringing in their ears for days after the explosion.

    Michael has had trouble sleeping since the incident and can't stop thinking about what happened.

    "I try to forget it," he said. "But I just can't. After I heard the explosion, I thought I was going to die that day."

    Ryan and Michael have pledged never to play paintball.

    "This thing went off like a grenade," said Police Chief Don Ingrasselino. "There are a lot of parents out there buying these things for their kids and they need to know how dangerous they are."
    From here



    All I could find out is it was a 20oz Aluminum Co2 in hydro. Chance of over fill denied. Investigation on going.

    Even if it was an over fill the burst failed. If that is true then the reg[pin valve] failed. Or the tank Failed. Co2 at room temp is what 1200psi.? What Happened?????????? Where can I get a 5000psi fill for my HPA System???????? Maybe they were playing with Flame, That might explain it.

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  • Jackel411
    East Coast Anarchy...WHAT!
    • Jan 2003
    • 882

    #2
    Old news..

    what that artical isnt telling you was that the tank was tampered with.. IE the bust disk was either replaced with a plug or tourqed in wrong....... That and it may of been that the kids were using it to get high.. oh yeah and it was also sitting on a heater moments before the kid picked it up according to another report I read else where..
    Wild Geese - Coney Isand White Fish - ECA
    ECAP - "Making players dreams other players nightmares"

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    • Beemer
      I could tell you but then.

      • Oct 2003
      • 3250

      #3
      Originally posted by Jackel411
      Old news..

      what that artical isnt telling you was that the tank was tampered with.. IE the bust disk was either replaced with a plug or tourqed in wrong....... That and it may of been that the kids were using it to get high.. oh yeah and it was also sitting on a heater moments before the kid picked it up according to another report I read else where..
      Show me

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      • Jackel411
        East Coast Anarchy...WHAT!
        • Jan 2003
        • 882

        #4
        Originally posted by Beemer
        Show me

        Do a search on Mcarterbrown.com they dug up more stuff there..

        Tanks just dont " blow up " for no good reason.. hell Ive filled thousands , and owned hundreds and worst thing I ever saw was the rare case of bottle/valve separation..

        1/4 inch aluminum walled bottles just dont " go off like a grenade " with out serious human interaction
        Wild Geese - Coney Isand White Fish - ECA
        ECAP - "Making players dreams other players nightmares"

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        • Beemer
          I could tell you but then.

          • Oct 2003
          • 3250

          #5
          Hmmmmmmm

          Just tell me where the failure was and why. This is AO why should I search MB. I did my search and said what I found. Investigation on going. You have a link??

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          • Duzzy
            Mentally confused, wanders

            • Apr 2004
            • 940

            #6
            Originally posted by Beemer
            Just tell me where the failure was and why. This is AO why should I search MB. I did my search and said what I found. Investigation on going. You have a link??

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            You should search MCB because he told you that is where you can find information that you want... Which apparently is not on AO.

            My Feedback
            (It's a work in progress)

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            • MadPSIence
              Innovation 101
              • Mar 2005
              • 969

              #7
              Jackel you're absolutely right. Guys.. any tank in hydro cannot simply explode without serious stimulation to cause it. These tanks are THICK METAL. It would take a STUPID amount of pressure to cause them to explode or an extremely hard hit (gunshot).

              The kids were definitely messing with it.

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              • Beemer
                I could tell you but then.

                • Oct 2003
                • 3250

                #8
                You should search MCB because he told you that is where you can find information that you want... Which apparently is not on AO.
                As I said I did my searches and said what I found. And asked for a link, which obviously I cant find[I know I suck at it that is why I asked]


                Jackel you're absolutely right. Guys.. any tank in hydro cannot simply explode without serious stimulation to cause it. These tanks are THICK METAL. It would take a STUPID amount of pressure to cause them to explode or an extremely hard hit (gunshot).

                The kids were definitely messing with it.
                Well this one did. Ya know why? Because it failed. The question is WHAT and WHY?

                Oh ya I did more then a search. I used the phone and actually talked to some people and all I got was Im sorry I cant answer that the INVESTIGATION is still on going. But thanks for the help

                Peace Out

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                • Lohman446
                  Useful posts: 7
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 9315

                  #9
                  Did not... never happened, couldn't happen so never happened...

                  If it did happen it was there fault, not the general lack of respect of paintballers in general for there high pressure cointainers...

                  Never happened... wasn't a store filling a modified tank or an out of hydro tank or anything like that. Wasn't failure to follow proper safety precautions in dealing with high pressure tanks. Wasn't a tank failure. So, if we are running out of reasons it could have happened it must have never happened.
                  "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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                  • stoupa
                    just some woodsballer
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 221

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Beemer
                    As I said I did my searches and said what I found. And asked for a link, which obviously I cant find[I know I suck at it that is why I asked]
                    Here is the link:
                    my feedback:
                    http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152549

                    my mag. Not ULE at all
                    CF31658

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                    • oldsoldier
                      just choke yourself out!!!
                      • Feb 2002
                      • 2459

                      #11
                      Occam's razor: that will explain it.
                      X-mag #10. Nuff said.

                      my feedback

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                      • Thordic
                        AFTICA
                        • May 2001
                        • 5986

                        #12
                        ABC Paintball is also staffed and run by idiots.

                        Every single time I took my 3k flatline there to be filled, they'd fill it to 4.5k and I'd have to vent off pressure after I left the store, so I stopped getting my tanks filled there.

                        I would not be surprised if this one is the stores fault. The only good employees that store has ever had were run off because the owner is an abusive jerk to both his employees AND to customers. I've watched the guy make a 12 year old kid cry because the kid hadn't cleaned his spyder and it wasn't working.

                        Maybe the parents can sue the store and take them out of business. I'd be a pretty happy camper if they weren't around anymore, I've seen few business that deserve bankruptsy more than ABC.

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                        • tropical_fishy
                          KART
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 1017

                          #13
                          "it's like a propane tank."


                          uhhh... righhht. Except a propane tank has... well, it has propane in it, moron. And she was "mortified" instead of "horrified." So she was embarassed because her kids blew up a tank in their room? It's kinda obvious these people don't know much about basic physics or chemistry... and blaming the tank? I haven't been playing paintball that long, but NO compressed air system I've ever heard of-- O2, nitrox, anything-- has random breeches without someone screwing around with it.

                          CO2 sublimes normally, so it doesn't take much heat to go from liquid-gas. If they play paintball enough to have their own CO2 tanks sitting around, they should know better than to leave them hanging out by the heater.

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                          • Beemer
                            I could tell you but then.

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 3250

                            #14
                            Originally posted by stoupa
                            Thank You. I just signed up for a search class.


                            ABC Paintball is also staffed and run by idiots.

                            Every single time I took my 3k flatline there to be filled, they'd fill it to 4.5k and I'd have to vent off pressure after I left the store, so I stopped getting my tanks filled there.

                            Maybe the parents can sue the store and take them out of business. I'd be a pretty happy camper if they weren't around anymore, I've seen few business that deserve bankruptsy more than ABC.
                            Ouch. Sounds like they need an I.A.D.S.P.B.P. patch


                            It's kinda obvious these people don't know much about basic physics or chemistry... and blaming the tank?
                            Ya its another I.A.D.S.P.B.P. Patch


                            I haven't been playing paintball that long, but NO compressed air system I've ever heard of-- O2, nitrox, anything-- has random breeches without someone screwing around with it.

                            CO2 sublimes normally, so it doesn't take much heat to go from liquid-gas. If they play paintball enough to have their own CO2 tanks sitting around, they should know better than to leave them hanging out by the heater.

                            Well you just saw it. Middle of summer, short sleeves and shorts, Ya the heater was on.
                            If it was over filled and heated to 100 degrees, what would the pressure be?
                            The disk and the tank failed on this one. PE tank. Same kind that killed Brandon Johnson and it was new out of box.


                            Originally posted by abunkerer
                            HAHA...good stuff..

                            Anyway, now that we are talking about tank failures I just saw one last weekend. THe field uses "push button" fill your own stations, pretty much "flash fills". a guy on a team that we practice with was putting his gear into the trunk of his car when all of a sudden PSHHHHHHHHHH, I thought someones macro blew or something and I look over and see this guy running, Holding the back of his head, and this tank spinning out of controll flipping around...I dove behind my car until it stopped.
                            The guy took a nice shot in the head, luckily the tank was only half full and the bottle had a cover on it, he had a nice sized red bump and was stunned like he'd been jacked by Mike Tyson.
                            Upon inspection of the pure energy 4500 tank it seemed as though the oring blew out where the regulator screws onto the bottle, the bottle was a year or two old but was still in hydro. And when it blew it was not being banged around or anything, the thing literally jumped out of the trunk of his car and went out of controll for no reason! Maybe the flash fills wore out the seal? always getting hot flash fills and then being shot like mad for a game causing rapid cooling down and then back to the fill station(free fills so people frequently top off between games)
                            As the sport of paintball gains more populatity, and more and more people begin to use compressed air, and the intensity of the game gets harder on the equipment physically, and this equipment starts to get old and wear out..more incidents like this are likely to appear.
                            From here
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                            • tropical_fishy
                              KART
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 1017

                              #15
                              Same kind that killed Brandon Johnson and it was new out of box.
                              Maybe there's something in the design then? An error? Like firestone tires...

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